I use steam for Valve games and old games usually. The id games I got off of there I don't even use with steam, I installed them only to get the core files so I could run them on an a source port. Every old game I have off steam isn't installed with steam and is on an a source port (doomsday etc).

You just need to research what you buy like anything else. All as it takes is putting starforce on your computer once to fry it. Good luck getting that sucker off, I had to reformat my buddies computer because he couldn't do a simple google search to find Rainbow Six: Lockdown (is that the one?) had starforce. Most games on steam have no drm aside from the program itself. A little looking can save you a lot of headache.

Fixed some stuff, not upset, just figure it might help, would have done it in a PM but that is not an option.

The games that are listed to have third party DRM:
* Crysis (SecuROM + 5 Activation Limit)
* Crysis Warhead (SecuROM + 5 Activation Limit)
* S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky (TAGES + 5 Activation Limit)
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Suffice to say the forums for those three games were on fire with how pissed off people were about it. The consensus is pretty much the same. Steam is the acceptable DRM solution (for them), and to have SecuROM or TAGES put on top of that is unacceptable.
Supposedly Gabe Newell knows of the problems, and is trying to improve the situation.

Yeah, I never bought those games, but I can't believe they'd do something like that, that's ridiculous. if I was Gabe I'd be all 'lol, no extra DRM or else it's not being on my service kthxbai.'

Originally the warnings weren't in place on the Storefront. As soon as people started having issues though, ValvE put in the warnings, and started issuing refunds to people who bought it before hand.

I know I wouldn't blame them either. On the other hand there is not a single game, as far as I know, that can be bought from both services. So, practically, they aren't competitors. Of course owners of this forum can look at it from different point of view. As I said I wouldn't blame them. And I still kind of think that most of the people would be there even if GOG had steam-like DRM. Maybe I'm wrong...

One of them was typing error :) Anyway I'm not upset. I'm glad if anything. English is actually my third language. I know it's not perfect but I'm working on it. Hey, does that mean that my other posts were ok? Great. And yes, private discussion would be better. At any rate, feel free to correct me if you like.
And may I ask you personal question? You're locker of what? :)

I didn't know about that. That is completely unacceptable.

Yeah, your other posts seem fine, I figured English wasn't your first language. Wecs are nothing. I had signed up for the gamespy network a long time ago, and used a random name generator they were using, and it gave me Weclock, so I decided to use that else where, and given the mythic and lore of myself at these other beta testing sites (mostly just source mods, I've gotten out of that though) they called me Weccy and Wec Locker, stuff like that, so Locker of Wecs came about naturally through other people.

they give you them for free I believe if you get GTA3 and GTAVC

nope, they give them out for free for everybody, check out the link i provided
for example, i just filled out the form and downloaded gta again, just to test it

I meant on steam lol, yeah I downloaded GTA2 last week. :P

I was also noting that people usually have only so much money to spend, and so much time to spend playing games. So any game seller is competition for any other, even if they sell different games. Kind of like how Kentucky Fried Chicken is a competitor to Taco Bell even though their product is very different. You can only eat lunch once.