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Posted June 19, 2013
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Fictionvision: You don't have to buy a game twice. If you want to run a GOG game through Steam you can add it as a non steam game.
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ThreeSon: That would not give me acccess to the Steamworks features I want (time tracking, achievements, etc).
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Nirth: That's like saying you want two different cars, one with safety and modernisation and the other look hip and is really fast but you're only willing to pay for one..

But no, I don't know any and frankly I prefer if GOG avoids it as much as possible. What they should do is giving GOG keys to games people buy at Steam that are also offered here to promote their site. :-)
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ThreeSon: That analogy doesn't work at all. Two cars cost twice as much for the manufacturer to produce. Issuing a Steam key for a game purchased elsewhere costs the developer nothing.
Until people start handing out their unused steam keys, or swapping them for extra items.

Honestly Steam keys are easy to acquire through every other vendor. There isn't any great reason for GOG, a company that is looking for success in being different, to start acting like everyone else, and if they did a lot of us would probably start to wonder what the point of buying here is at that point.
Posted June 19, 2013
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amok: Hmm.. just a little curious. I got the game through GG while it was still in the beta (?), and it then came with a CD key to unlock the game. It is this key which needed to register the game and get the Steam key - does the GoG version also comes with a CD key to unlock full version?
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JMich: No idea. GOG provides a serial (gogXXXXXXXX) that I used at the developer's site, but I've no idea if it's needed to play the GOG version as well. I think it shouldn't be needed, but haven't tried it yet.
I don't have it here, but I know that you don't need the key to play the GOG version.
Posted June 19, 2013
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amok: Hmm.. just a little curious. I got the game through GG while it was still in the beta (?), and it then came with a CD key to unlock the game. It is this key which needed to register the game and get the Steam key - does the GoG version also comes with a CD key to unlock full version?
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Stooner: Yes, this is the key to register the game and also your profile on the site. GOG also comes with one.
but can you play the game without it? In the version I got first, it was only the demo if you did not use the key. The key unlocked the full game.

On steam you do not need the key, I think, it is the full version from start. Was just wondering how it was here on GoG.
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Stooner: I don't have it here, but I know that you don't need the key to play the GOG version.
Cheers, that was what I was wondering :)
Post edited June 19, 2013 by amok
Posted June 19, 2013
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Nirth: That's like saying you want two different cars, one with safety and modernisation and the other look hip and is really fast but you're only willing to pay for one..

But no, I don't know any and frankly I prefer if GOG avoids it as much as possible. What they should do is giving GOG keys to games people buy at Steam that are also offered here to promote their site. :-)
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ThreeSon: That analogy doesn't work at all. Two cars cost twice as much for the manufacturer to produce. Issuing a Steam key for a game purchased elsewhere costs the developer nothing.
It's not non-zero, where do you think Valve gets the money to pay for bandwidth? It's through the game sales, the other option would be for the developer to pay Valve to provide the service.

In either case, somebody is paying for those Steam keys.
Posted June 19, 2013
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Stooner: Yes, this is the key to register the game and also your profile on the site. GOG also comes with one.
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amok: but can you play the game without it? In the version I got first, it was only the demo if you did not use the key. The key unlocked the full game.

On steam you do not need the key, I think, it is the full version from start. Was just wondering how it was here on GoG.
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Stooner: I don't have it here, but I know that you don't need the key to play the GOG version.
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amok: Cheers, that was what I was wondering :)
I'll confirm with text of blue that you do NOT need a key to play the GOG version of UnEpic :D
Posted June 19, 2013
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amok: but can you play the game without it? In the version I got first, it was only the demo if you did not use the key. The key unlocked the full game.

On steam you do not need the key, I think, it is the full version from start. Was just wondering how it was here on GoG.

Cheers, that was what I was wondering :)
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JudasIscariot: I'll confirm with text of blue that you do NOT need a key to play the GOG version of UnEpic :D
that was not very enigmatic.... I am very disappointed.
Posted June 19, 2013
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JudasIscariot: I'll confirm with text of blue that you do NOT need a key to play the GOG version of UnEpic :D
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amok: that was not very enigmatic.... I am very disappointed.
Wrong blue. He's Judas, not TET.
Posted June 19, 2013
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gooberking: Until people start handing out their unused steam keys, or swapping them for extra items.

Honestly Steam keys are easy to acquire through every other vendor. There isn't any great reason for GOG, a company that is looking for success in being different, to start acting like everyone else, and if they did a lot of us would probably start to wonder what the point of buying here is at that point.
People shop here because it's one of the few stores that doesn't use Steam DRM for their own store.

Those other stores pay Valve for the privilege of handing out those keys. Plus, I think most of those stores are actually smaller than GOG at this point. GOG is DRM free and people here are often times trying to avoid funding Valve's damage to the PC gaming ecosystem.
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amok: that was not very enigmatic.... I am very disappointed.
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JMich: Wrong blue. He's Judas, not TET.
Yes, but failing to stab Mr. Gog in the back isn't very Judas of him. :-P
Post edited June 19, 2013 by hedwards
Posted June 19, 2013
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hedwards: Yes, but failing to stab Mr. Gog in the back isn't very Judas of him. :-P
Not stab, but kiss in a compromising position.
Posted June 19, 2013
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ThreeSon: That analogy doesn't work at all. Two cars cost twice as much for the manufacturer to produce. Issuing a Steam key for a game purchased elsewhere costs the developer nothing.
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gooberking: Until people start handing out their unused steam keys, or swapping them for extra items.

Honestly Steam keys are easy to acquire through every other vendor. There isn't any great reason for GOG, a company that is looking for success in being different, to start acting like everyone else, and if they did a lot of us would probably start to wonder what the point of buying here is at that point.
GOG doesn't have any input, one way or the other, regarding the issuing of Steam keys. As JMich pointed out, it's entirely the decision of the developer.

And if developers did start to issue keys, it could only be beneficial to GOG, with no downside for them at all. Right now I have to decide whether to purchase a game I want through GOG or Steam. But if developers issued Steam keys to GOG purchasers, I would always purchase the game through GOG, because then I would have access to all the benefits instead of just half of them.
Post edited June 19, 2013 by ThreeSon
Posted June 19, 2013
Doesnt the witcher cross between the platforms with just one key?
Posted June 19, 2013
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SirEyeball: Doesnt the witcher cross between the platforms with just one key?
Not really! :p If you buy it here, you can't activate it on Steam. ;)
Posted June 19, 2013
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SirEyeball: Doesnt the witcher cross between the platforms with just one key?
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triock: Not really! :p If you buy it here, you can't activate it on Steam. ;)
Ahh ok I had it on steam and could activate it here but I guess it does not work the other way round then ;(
Posted June 19, 2013
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ThreeSon: That analogy doesn't work at all. Two cars cost twice as much for the manufacturer to produce. Issuing a Steam key for a game purchased elsewhere costs the developer nothing.
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hedwards: It's not non-zero, where do you think Valve gets the money to pay for bandwidth? It's through the game sales, the other option would be for the developer to pay Valve to provide the service.

In either case, somebody is paying for those Steam keys.
Valve owns something like 80% of the digital distribution market on PC. You really think they're going to feel the bandwidth impact of a tiny portion of their catalog being downloaded by a tiny fraction of their user base? We're talking about pennies here, assuming it amounts to anything at all.

If GOG had no issue with giving out a complimentary GOG.com download of a 25 GB game like The Witcher 2 to all Steam purchases of the game (kudos for that, GOG team), I can pretty much guarantee that Valve wouldn't incur any financial hardship at all.

Besides, Valve issues the keys for free. If they wanted to charge developers for that service, they could. But they don't. That is a conscious business decision on their part, not a act of charity. They do this to build community goodwill and deflect criticism of their current position in the market. That community goodwill translates into additional dollars for them.
Posted June 19, 2013
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gooberking: Until people start handing out their unused steam keys, or swapping them for extra items.

Honestly Steam keys are easy to acquire through every other vendor. There isn't any great reason for GOG, a company that is looking for success in being different, to start acting like everyone else, and if they did a lot of us would probably start to wonder what the point of buying here is at that point.
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ThreeSon: GOG doesn't have any input, one way or the other, regarding the issuing of Steam keys. As JMich pointed out, it's entirely the decision of the developer.

And if developers did start to issue keys, it could only be beneficial to GOG, with no downside for them at all. Right now I have to decide whether to purchase a game I want through GOG or Steam. But if developers issued Steam keys to GOG purchasers, I would always purchase the game through GOG, because then I would have access to all the benefits instead of just half of them.
I see little to no benefit for GOG and a fairly huge downside. I buy nearly all of my games here, because I'm not giving any money to Valve.

I'm not sure how common that is, but if giving money to GOG results in Valve having more money, it makes it less desirable to shop here.
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hedwards: It's not non-zero, where do you think Valve gets the money to pay for bandwidth? It's through the game sales, the other option would be for the developer to pay Valve to provide the service.

In either case, somebody is paying for those Steam keys.
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ThreeSon: Valve owns something like 80% of the digital distribution market on PC. You really think they're going to feel the bandwidth impact of a tiny portion of their catalog being downloaded by a tiny fraction of their user base? We're talking about pennies here, assuming it amounts to anything at all.

If GOG had no issue with giving out a complimentary GOG.com download of a 25 GB game like The Witcher 2 to all Steam purchases of the game (kudos for that, GOG team), I can pretty much guarantee that Valve wouldn't incur any financial hardship at all.

Besides, Valve issues the keys for free. If they wanted to charge developers for that service, they could. But they don't. That is a conscious business decision on their part, not a act of charity. They do this to build community goodwill and deflect criticism of their current position in the market. That community goodwill translates into additional dollars for them.
Valve is a business, not a charity. Why should they give away any bandwidth to the competition?
Post edited June 19, 2013 by hedwards
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