Posted November 28, 2009
melchiz
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Lone3wolf
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Posted November 28, 2009
Navagon: There are ways of reactivating Windows without using MS activation phone lines / internet services. Although I haven't found out what they are with Windows 7. Or if that's even still possible.
Plus, it's worth noting that latter OEM editions of XP (SP2 onwards) don't actually need online activation at all. So it's entirely possible that MS would release a patch that removed the need to activate in the unlikely event that they should go under.
Alternatively you could install via an image of a clean yet activated WIndows install.
Plus, it's worth noting that latter OEM editions of XP (SP2 onwards) don't actually need online activation at all. So it's entirely possible that MS would release a patch that removed the need to activate in the unlikely event that they should go under.
Alternatively you could install via an image of a clean yet activated WIndows install.
Sorry, but XP-SP2+ does require online activation. Standard 30-day period of trial, then you're shafted and limited to all but very basic functionality.
It also requires WGA authentication to download any of the thousands of updates, let alone hundreds of 1st-party programs like MediaPlayer 11
Navagon
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Posted November 28, 2009
Lone3wolf: Sorry, but XP-SP2+ does require online activation. Standard 30-day period of trial, then you're shafted and limited to all but very basic functionality.
OEM copies don't seem to anymore. I don't know about retail; and I'm not talking about copies that have been upgraded to SP2+ but rather copies that are sold as SP2+.
Post edited November 28, 2009 by Navagon
stonebro
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Posted November 28, 2009
Lone3wolf: Sorry, but XP-SP2+ does require online activation. Standard 30-day period of trial, then you're shafted and limited to all but very basic functionality.
Navagon: OEM copies don't seem to anymore. I don't know about retail; and I'm not talking about copies that have been upgraded to SP2+ but rather copies that are sold as SP2+. I have an old laptop which basically need XP SP2 reinstalled every 30 days. It completely refuses to activate online, even though the key is valid (installed from OEM, recovery disks lost), and I cannot be arsed to call Microsoft and ask them to help me given that it's a computer that's going out of use anyway now that I've bought a new one with Win7.
After the 30 days, the OS has to be reinstalled. I am prevented from logging in if I do not activate at that point.
Navagon
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Posted November 28, 2009
stonebro: After the 30 days, the OS has to be reinstalled. I am prevented from logging in if I do not activate at that point.
Odd then that my SP2 XP Pro copy doesn't even have any mention of activation on it at all.
You have to phone MS now. You can't activate OEM copies online anymore. It's not that they're removing support for XP, but rather OEM copies.
Anyway, there's an old activation trick whereby you can back up the activated WPA.dbl and WPA.bak files from the System 32 folder. After you reinstall, boot into safe mode and copy the files back over the inactivated ones.
Please note: this trick will only work if the system you're reinstalling Windows onto is identical to the one you activated on. It cannot be used to activate copies on other machines.
Post edited November 28, 2009 by Navagon
Lucibel
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Posted November 28, 2009
stonebro: After the 30 days, the OS has to be reinstalled. I am prevented from logging in if I do not activate at that point.
Navagon: Odd then that my SP2 XP Pro copy doesn't even have any mention of activation on it at all. You have to phone MS now. You can't activate OEM copies online anymore. It's not that they're removing support for XP, but rather OEM copies.
Anyway, there's an old activation trick whereby you can back up the activated WPA.dbl and WPA.bak files from the System 32 folder. After you reinstall, boot into safe mode and copy the files back over the inactivated ones.
Please note: this trick will only work if the system you're reinstalling Windows onto is identical to the one you activated on. It cannot be used to activate copies on other machines.
That trick never worked for me grr.
Navagon
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Lone3wolf
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Posted November 28, 2009
Lone3wolf: Sorry, but XP-SP2+ does require online activation. Standard 30-day period of trial, then you're shafted and limited to all but very basic functionality.
Navagon: OEM copies don't seem to anymore. I don't know about retail; and I'm not talking about copies that have been upgraded to SP2+ but rather copies that are sold as SP2+. Well I don't know about "recent" copies of OEM XP SP2, but my 3 or 4 year old one, (1st-gen SP2 OEM disc), recently reinstalled, required on-line activation.
It's a little booklet, with an install CD stuck to the back cover in a paper envelope, in a cellophane envelope, and it says "For distribution only with a new PC" across the top of the spine, on the front cover. Definitely not a retail box.
Sometimes, but not always, I even have to phone the help line (I reinstall every few months as I install/uninstall a lot of Apps/Utils for testing/reviewing and it craps out the registry) to get the validation accepted...it used to be an Indian call centre, but now seems to be fully automated. I don't even have to tell an operator it's a reinstall, I just press "1" to confirm it's only installed on one machine.
Navagon
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Posted November 28, 2009
Lone3wolf: Well I don't know about "recent" copies of OEM XP SP2, but my 3 or 4 year old one, (1st-gen SP2 OEM disc), recently reinstalled, required on-line activation.
It's a little booklet, with an install CD stuck to the back cover in a paper envelope, in a cellophane envelope, and it says "For distribution only with a new PC" across the top of the spine, on the front cover. Definitely not a retail box.
It's a little booklet, with an install CD stuck to the back cover in a paper envelope, in a cellophane envelope, and it says "For distribution only with a new PC" across the top of the spine, on the front cover. Definitely not a retail box.
Yeah, that sounds exactly the same as my copy. Only mine is apparently newer. I had an OEM copy prior to that one and that one required activation. But then that copy wasn't even SP1.
Crassmaster
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Posted November 28, 2009
FlyByU: Nope not trolling and yes $45 is high and Exaggerated but it is a point you all refuse to look at in the name of common sense its coming if the PC community does not fight DRM and Steam like systems... People will pay higher amounts for entertainment if they push it higher even WoW could raise 20% and ppl would still pay it rather then lose there accounts...
Pretty sure you guys are a little dense to understand exaggerated stuff to see a point...
Pretty sure you guys are a little dense to understand exaggerated stuff to see a point...
And yet, unless there is a second person using your alias, you have absolutely no problem buying games in Impulse.
And yes, kids, Impulse IS a form of DRM. You have to use it to access your purchased games, you have to use it to access updates and patches to your purchased games, you cannot create a backup on a CD or hard drive that you can access without using Impulse.
So, are you just a gigantic hypocrite?
melchiz
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Posted November 29, 2009
Crassmaster: And yes, kids, Impulse IS a form of DRM. You have to use it to access your purchased games, you have to use it to access updates and patches to your purchased games, you cannot create a backup on a CD or hard drive that you can access without using Impulse.
So, are you just a gigantic hypocrite?
So, are you just a gigantic hypocrite?
Actually, you're wrong. Impulse is not required to play games, once they are installed. You can completely uninstall it and still play your games. It is a download manager with added features. GOO, produced by Stardock and available with certain games purchased on Impulse, is a form of DRM.
The difference between Steam and Impulse is that Steam is a DRM platform, while Impulse is DRM-neutral.
Post edited November 29, 2009 by melchiz
Crassmaster
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Posted November 29, 2009
Crassmaster: And yes, kids, Impulse IS a form of DRM. You have to use it to access your purchased games, you have to use it to access updates and patches to your purchased games, you cannot create a backup on a CD or hard drive that you can access without using Impulse.
So, are you just a gigantic hypocrite?
melchiz: Actually, you're wrong. Impulse is not required to play games, once they are installed. You can completely uninstall it and still play your games. It is a download manager with added features. GOO, produced by Stardock and available with certain games purchased on Impulse, is a form of DRM. So, are you just a gigantic hypocrite?
The difference between Steam and Impulse is that Steam is a DRM platform, while Impulse is DRM-neutral.
Really, so I don't need to use Impulse to access patches and updates? Oh...wait...yes I do. I can back up a hard copy of my installer somewhere? Oh...no...I can't.
I would say that fits any rational description of digital rights being managed.
Weclock
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melchiz
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Crassmaster
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Posted November 29, 2009
...so?
Does it require a client to access your game? Yes.
Does it require use of that client to path or update your game? Yes.
Can it be backed up in any way on a disc or your hard drive to be used outside of the client? No.
Guess what, that still equals DRM. Just the fact that you don't need it running to play your game doesn't change that fact.
Do I personally have an issue with that? No. I use Impulse, and Steam, Direct2Drive, Gamersgate, GoG, etc. I just become annoyed when people try to pretend that Impulse is not a form of DRM. It is. Doesn't make it evil, but it is.
Does it require a client to access your game? Yes.
Does it require use of that client to path or update your game? Yes.
Can it be backed up in any way on a disc or your hard drive to be used outside of the client? No.
Guess what, that still equals DRM. Just the fact that you don't need it running to play your game doesn't change that fact.
Do I personally have an issue with that? No. I use Impulse, and Steam, Direct2Drive, Gamersgate, GoG, etc. I just become annoyed when people try to pretend that Impulse is not a form of DRM. It is. Doesn't make it evil, but it is.