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Yea, I never considered myself good at an RTS game, (even though it's my favorite genre) but this game on normal seems a perfect difficulty level for me. It's challenging and fun, but not too easy or hard. Which never seems to be the case usually. And I totally agree with stonebro. The funny thing is that the only NON moronic people that bought the game, that i've seen who don't love the game are nonexistent. Nobody I've seen that went out and bought it DOESNT love it, yet there are so many people on the fence about. The campaign is long, fun and content filled. The multiplayer is fantastic, the co-op mode is great fun, and even offline, the AI is superb. Don't consider it, don't look into some other "I refuse to support Kotick and DRM" context. Just buy it, because it's worth it. Trust me.
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KavazovAngel: See those 92 one star reviews? I'm sure the were deserved because the game sucks so much. :rolleyes: Internet trolling must be quite popular these days, it would seem.

This kind of divergent review distribution is actually getting somewhat common for many AAA titles. Most of the time it seems to speak to a product that has at its core a good, solid, enjoyable game, but with design decisions or shortcomings about the periphery that get between some people and their ability to enjoy the game (which basically pushes people across the thin line between love and hate, so to speak). Such things can be bugs (e.g. Fallout 3), DRM (e.g. Assassin's Creed 2), lack of key features from previously installments (e.g. dedicated servers in MW2 and LAN play in SC2), etc. Reading some of the reviews for SC2 it looks like the gripes tend to be lack of LAN play, features of Bnet 2.0, authentication issues, only a single campaign (that some view as too short), and the games being locked to a single Bnet region. Overall I actually find this type of divergent review pattern highly instructive, provided one knows how to interpret it.
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KavazovAngel: See those 92 one star reviews? I'm sure the were deserved because the game sucks so much. :rolleyes: Internet trolling must be quite popular these days, it would seem.
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DarrkPhoenix: This kind of divergent review distribution is actually getting somewhat common for many AAA titles. Most of the time it seems to speak to a product that has at its core a good, solid, enjoyable game, but with design decisions or shortcomings about the periphery that get between some people and their ability to enjoy the game (which basically pushes people across the thin line between love and hate, so to speak). Such things can be bugs (e.g. Fallout 3), DRM (e.g. Assassin's Creed 2), lack of key features from previously installments (e.g. dedicated servers in MW2 and LAN play in SC2), etc. Reading some of the reviews for SC2 it looks like the gripes tend to be lack of LAN play, features of Bnet 2.0, authentication issues, only a single campaign (that some view as too short), and the games being locked to a single Bnet region. Overall I actually find this type of divergent review pattern highly instructive, provided one knows how to interpret it.

It would be more informative if half of the things they said weren't blatantly wrong, like needing to be online for SP.
Amazon reviews are a joke. I hope no one is actually misled by them.
Also, Tychus is my new favorite character of any game, ever.
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PoSSeSSeDCoW: It would be more informative if half of the things they said weren't blatantly wrong, like needing to be online for SP.

Of course it would, but wishing that people would behave differently is an exercise in futility. The best that can be done is note how people actually do behave and pull out the most information possible from that.
Being able to play SP only online protects you against viruses and pirates.
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TheCheese33: I'm almost ashamed to admit this, but I'm having a hard time with some of the missions on Easy. In particular, I'm struggling with the one where you either have to wipe out Zerg or wipe out Protoss for the scientist lady's colony. I have a hard time with either side. Any helpful tips?

Go with wiping out Zerg. Use mercenary War Pigs when available, and build two bunkers at each of the three locations where Zerg come at you and fill them with marines. Build up a force of mercenaries and extra marines to escort the transports as well as there are some ambushes.
The key thing is keeping them behind the bunkers. With two bunkers and a SCV to repair they shouldn't break through.
Post edited July 29, 2010 by stonebro
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stonebro: Excuse me, when did you become the emperor of what can be considered a complete single player product? The single player portion is complete. If that's what is bugging you, I can confirm that you get to play as protoss in the WoL campaign having finished about half of it. Don't know about Zerg yet, as they seem to be lined up to become the great enemy for the final missions, but we'll see.
There are 29 single player missions, some of which can be played in two distinctly different ways. The original SC had 28 missions i believe? There's more than enough to do, and the content doesn't really feel like it's lacking. In fact, I appreciate the reduced pace at which units are fleshed out to you in this game. Additionally there are upgrade options and tech trees, and a certain freedom as to which mission to pursue next. Some are even skippable. Unless you're a sissy and playing on easy (or normal, as it seems to be a lot easier than hard), expect at least 1 hour pr. mission, and that's if you have a clue about starcraft to begin with. If you want to breeze through the game on easy fine, but don't come complaining about a short campaign later when you basically just turned on cheats.
$34.99 isn't more than you'd be paying for MW2 when it was new. In fact, it's less. Look forward to the $49.99 Black Ops to come. Too pricy for a PC game? What's given you that impression?
You guys just got the completely wrong impression of what SC2 is all about. Meh, your loss.

Why so hostile? I was just stating my feelings about this game and you viciously leap to it's defense like a zealot.
Okay, so I should give the campaign some more credit, but i'm just finding it difficult to shake the feeling of being "Cheated" knowing the release of the episodes/expansions later, and the pricing of those has yet to be announced. If they're priced around £25-30 on release and have a decent amount of content as you sasy WoL has, then I won't have a problem. But if it's priced the same as WoL, with dependence on it and if all it offers is a new campaign for Zerg/Protoss and maybe a couple of new units then i can see no way i can justify that purchase until it's in an affordable bundle.
Also, the rrp is far more than most other games, excluding the CoD games, which funnily enough have something in common with SC2. Now perhaps the £34.99 price tag is justified considering the $100+ million budget, but Blizzard is hardly lacking a stable supply of income or a massive fanbase who will buy this game for full price on release to help break even and make a profit.
Also, perhaps you can divulge what " SC2 is all about"?
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alexisgondor: Why so hostile? I was just stating my feelings about this game and you viciously leap to it's defense like a zealot.

What? Did I attack you? If you saw that as an attack you're either way too sensitive or just fishing for flamebait. Either way I couldn't care less. Hate the game all you like, desist from purchasing all you like, but I defend the game when everything you write is either irrational or just plain wrong.
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alexisgondor: Okay, so I should give the campaign some more credit, but i'm just finding it difficult to shake the feeling of being "Cheated" knowing the release of the episodes/expansions later, and the pricing of those has yet to be announced. If they're priced around �25-30 on release and have a decent amount of content as you sasy WoL has, then I won't have a problem. But if it's priced the same as WoL, with dependence on it and if all it offers is a new campaign for Zerg/Protoss and maybe a couple of new units then i can see no way i can justify that purchase until it's in an affordable bundle.

This is just a irrational fear of the future, as well as splitting straws on $5 price differences. I see no reason why the expansions won't have the same amount of content as the WoL campaign. That's what Blizzard have promised, at least.
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alexisgondor: Also, perhaps you can divulge what " SC2 is all about"?

I'll tell you what it's not about. It's not about ripping people off. It's not lacking in content. It's not unfinished. Battle.net 2.0 is not your great enemy. You get more playtime and a better polished game out of it than the vast majority of releases in the past 5 years, and that goes even if you forego multiplayer entirely. You can always play against the AI, and there are additional challenge missions in the game at launch, where most games today charge $10-15 for that as DLC. There's tons of content here.
Okay, i'm not a fan of RTS games, but all the SC2 hype makes me kind of curious. I remember i used to play SC1 on lan back in the days, but to me that was not a game, it was more like "work". Just pump out as many units as you can in the shortest time possible and charge. That's it :) You had no time to think or no time to actually enjoy the game. We all got different taste in games ofc and i'm not saying it was a bad game, not at all.
Anyways, give me three good reasons why i should buy SC2, since i'm not a big fan of the SC series or RTS games. I have tried most of the popular RTS games like the C&C series, AOE, WC2,3. What makes SC2 the mother of all RTS?
Cheers!
Post edited July 29, 2010 by Yohansen
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Yohansen: Anyways, give me three good reasons why i should buy SC2, since i'm not a big fan of the SC series or RTS games. I have tried most of the popular RTS games like the C&C series, AOE, WC2,3. What makes SC2 the mother of all RTS?

The RTS for those disliking them is DoW1: The action is not hurry, you don't have too many units, it's a squad game, there are many mods, it's still beautifull with figures and FX action, micromanagement is not boring.
Don't go to DoW2 as it's a very different game and is fucked with Steam and GamesForWindowsLIVE.
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Yohansen: Anyways, give me three good reasons why i should buy SC2, since i'm not a big fan of the SC series or RTS games. I have tried most of the popular RTS games like the C&C series, AOE, WC2,3. What makes SC2 the mother of all RTS?
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ERISS: The RTS for those disliking them is DoW1: The action is not hurry, you don't have too many units, it's a squad game, there are many mods, it's still beautifull with figures and FX action, micromanagement is not boring.
Don't go to DoW2 as it's a very different game and is fucked with Steam and GamesForWindowsLIVE.

This i s a game i haven't tried, so thanks for the tip. Gonna check it out :)
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stonebro: ...
What? Did I attack you? If you saw that as an attack you're either way too sensitive or just fishing for flamebait. Either way I couldn't care less. Hate the game all you like, desist from purchasing all you like, but I defend the game when everything you write is either irrational or just plain wrong.
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This is just a irrational fear of the future, as well as splitting straws on $5 price differences. I see no reason why the expansions won't have the same amount of content as the WoL campaign. That's what Blizzard have promised, at least.
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I'll tell you what it's not about. It's not about ripping people off. It's not lacking in content. It's not unfinished. Battle.net 2.0 is not your great enemy. You get more playtime and a better polished game out of it than the vast majority of releases in the past 5 years, and that goes even if you forego multiplayer entirely. You can always play against the AI, and there are additional challenge missions in the game at launch, where most games today charge $10-15 for that as DLC. There's tons of content here.

I interpreted it as offensive because you opened with a line which I found not too different to the "Who died and made you king?" put down, which got on my nerves seeing as it was the first thing I saw when I logged onto the forums this morning. Never once did I claim to be the defining authority of a games completeness, nor am i a hater.
Perhaps I am being irrational, yes. But I am just going to wait and see. Also, comparing RRP of SC2 to other, pc games (As opposed to the actual prices which vary from store to store, and also fall over time), it is a whole £10 more than the majority of games. Though I admit I am not being thorough, only two games have the £5 price are Splinter Cell: Conviction and CoD:MW2.
I REALLY liked SC but the DRM model and removal of LAN on SC2 was a deal breaker for me. I passed on a Blizzard release for the first time ever. I still WANT to buy it (just not at $60).
What would really be helpful would be some unbiased reviews of SC2 by community members . . pros and cons. There seems to be some legitimate issues. It would be great to hear some of these issues addressed without the automatic beat downs.
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TheCheese33: Go with wiping out Zerg. Use mercenary War Pigs when available, and build two bunkers at each of the three locations where Zerg come at you and fill them with marines. Build up a force of mercenaries and extra marines to escort the transports as well as there are some ambushes.
The key thing is keeping them behind the bunkers. With two bunkers and a SCV to repair they shouldn't break through.
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stonebro: Is there a certain time limit you have to do this under? I was freaking out because of the expanding Zerg forces.
Post edited July 29, 2010 by TheCheese33