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Some retail games allow you to install the game from the disk and then activate it on your steam account if you have a slow connection. It then prompts to make sure your version is up to date and verifies the installation.
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ChesHatter: Hi everyone,

I'm relatively new to the pc gaming scene, and I guess I've been spoiled by GOG's DRM-free-ness so much that reality just hit me like a slippery fish.

I've been thinking about buying some newer big games like Skyrim (for their modding communities primarily), but when I looked into buying it... apparently the disc I'd buy doesn't actually contain Skyrim, but... Steam?

So I just wanted to ask the advice of people who (I imagine) have been dealing with Steam/Origin/etc longer than I have... do I kind of just "deal with it" if I want to play these games?

Are they as annoying as some people make them seem (I've read many complaints about Origin especially), or is it not all that bad? The idea of suddenly losing all my progress if my internet has a mild hiccup doesn't sound fun... amongst other issues like Origins spying on me for some reason...

Just wanted to hear your opinions. Thanks for any and all advice you feel like sharing!
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monkeydelarge: When you buy a Steam game, you are really just renting it because you have no control over the game. Any time Steam feels like it it, they can mess with it or remove it or whatever. Steam also uses up resources while running so this could mess with your gaming performance if you have a weak machine. You are also giving your $$$ to the dark side.
How many times has this happened ? Seriously ? People are just complaining for nothing, steam isn't removing games. You can buy them there, sure you might not have them in 50 years but who cares, i doubt you'd still play them in 50 years anyway...probably due to the lack of computers that would work with them by then. Steam doesn't use resources while you play btw, just deactivate the ingame steam menus.
Also, most of the games can be cracked so if you really can't stand the non-drmfree part, buy the game and crack it.
Post edited November 17, 2014 by Faenrir
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Faenrir: You can buy them there, sure you might not have them in 50 years but who cares, i doubt you'd still play them in 50 years anyway...probably due to the lack of computers that would work with them by then.
And here we came from a society that had games that used to be timeless and didn't need a computer to run, like chess... Chess is thousands of years old, and still a very popular game. You make it sound like games are this short term thing, and i guess that's how they are sorta viewed and treated as of late... How sad.
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Faenrir: You can buy them there, sure you might not have them in 50 years but who cares, i doubt you'd still play them in 50 years anyway...probably due to the lack of computers that would work with them by then.
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rtcvb32: And here we came from a society that had games that used to be timeless and didn't need a computer to run, like chess... Chess is thousands of years old, and still a very popular game. You make it sound like games are this short term thing, and i guess that's how they are sorta viewed and treated as of late... How sad.
sooo.... just out of interest. How many 1000 year old chess boards have you got? And Hnefatafel is just a hoot in the playgrounds these days.
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amok: sooo.... just out of interest. How many 1000 year old chess boards have you got? And Hnefatafel is just a hoot in the playgrounds these days.
0, but mostly because they aren't on the market. However i do have something close to 10 chess sets, intermixed with checkers, mats, clocks, and other accessories, and some computer games.

Unfortunately few who want to play so my skills have really rusted since i was in my prime at 14... (18 years ago... god i feel old)
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TERRI29: I suppose it depends, I had a steam account a few years ago. I didn't really like it and didn't find much I wanted to purchase on steam at the time. I only had two game, Monkey Island Special edition and Braid. Then my computer died at some point, so I never did figure out how to get back to my account.
recovering your steam account is pretty simple if you know what email address you used with it . Just download the client and follow the steps lost account
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2424-ERJZ-5449
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amok: sooo.... just out of interest. How many 1000 year old chess boards have you got? And Hnefatafel is just a hoot in the playgrounds these days.
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rtcvb32: 0, but mostly because they aren't on the market. However i do have something close to 10 chess sets, intermixed with checkers, mats, clocks, and other accessories, and some computer games.

Unfortunately few who want to play so my skills have really rusted since i was in my prime at 14... (18 years ago... god i feel old)
how old is your oldest chess set?
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amok: how old is your oldest chess set?
That's a tough one. The oldest one i have is probably glass, and i got it used so i'm not sure of it's full age. i want to say the 70's, so maybe 45? I do play with it on occasion, but i'm more worried about it being dropped while playing and cracking it into useless shards of really sharp glass...
Can you still back up steam games onto disc?
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amok: how old is your oldest chess set?
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rtcvb32: That's a tough one. The oldest one i have is probably glass, and i got it used so i'm not sure of it's full age. i want to say the 70's, so maybe 45? I do play with it on occasion, but i'm more worried about it being dropped while playing and cracking it into useless shards of really sharp glass...
Think it will survive for another 1000 years?


What I am kind of driving towards is that you are confusing the concept of a game with the implementation of the actual game itself. Gaming is timeless, is is part of human nature, and we have certain archtypic game types (such as hide and seek, chase, strategy), but the implementation of those games changes as society changes. There are plenty of games people today do not play as there is just not room for them, but the concept of those games survive. So in 100years people will most likely not play TF2, but they will most likely play some other implementation of co-op PvP game depending on the technology available at the time, just as much as I played cowboy and Indians when I was a child. So 'games' is not short term, but implementation of specific games will always be rooted in the sociological and technical context it was made in (though a very few transcends this, like chess)... if it makes any sense. Games comes and goes, but gaming will always be.
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darthspudius: Can you still back up steam games onto disc?
yep you can also chose what parts sizes the game back should be split into , you can choose cd or dvd size for the parts

or you can use the raw method of just copying the folder off or compressing it and then copying (for steam games that don't require steam to start)
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darthspudius: Can you still back up steam games onto disc?
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liquidsnakehpks: yep you can also chose what parts sizes the game back should be split into , you can choose cd or dvd size for the parts

or you can use the raw method of just copying the folder off or compressing it and then copying (for steam games that don't require steam to start)
A great feature that everyone seems to forget about.
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liquidsnakehpks: or you can use the raw method of just copying the folder off or compressing it and then copying (for steam games that don't require steam to start)
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darthspudius: A great feature that everyone seems to forget about.
So where's the feature that tells me the game will refuse to do anything, abort, go into demo mode, or some other crap if steam isn't active or installed?
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darthspudius: A great feature that everyone seems to forget about.
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rtcvb32: So where's the feature that tells me the game will refuse to do anything, abort, go into demo mode, or some other crap if steam isn't active or installed?
You got me there, I haven't seen that problem before. But again steam IS the devil so it could be anywhere, under your bed, behind the toilet. Know knows!
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ChesHatter:
How much would the disc cost you anyway? If I was in your shoes, I'd probably look for online deals, as the only advantage of the disc version seems to be that your download will be smaller. If downloading huge files from the internet is not an issue for you, I bet you can find the game much cheaper online, and if I were you, I wouldn't want to pay much for a game that's dependent on a client like Steam and only gives you limited control.

On [url=http://isthereanydeal.com/#/search:skyrim;/scroll:#gamelist]isthereanydeal.com[/url] you can compare prices from online shops and check how much certain games have been discounted in the past. If you have a little patience you might get Skyrim for less than $5 or the Legendary Edition for less than $15, especially with Christmas sales coming up.
Post edited November 17, 2014 by Leroux