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Posted November 18, 2014
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zeroxxx: Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games. If anything, they'll lock you from activating new games or trading. That's all.
Then they have changed it some time ago. I know a few people who lost their accounts for good including the games. Must have been in 2008, when Manhunt 2 was released in the UK.
Posted November 18, 2014
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zeroxxx: Get Skyrim Legendary and Morrowind. Well worth it. Skyrim with Workshop is virtually unmatched.
To be fair, I would strongly suggest using Nexus mod manager + Skyrim Nexus for getting mods. Workshop can get extremely messy when you have a higher amount of mods installed.
Posted November 18, 2014
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Adokat: I don't know how this would be possible, though. I recognize none of the name's from the email, and there's only a small list of people who would use the computer's I've used.

I'm sure you also understand why it's hard for me to dismiss that right away after someone managed to get logged in as me yesterday. And it seems that this happened totally accidentally and unintentionally.
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toxicTom: Well the auto-form-filling on Login is done by the browser. Or did you mean there was just the email adress ("printed") and a password input?

In this case I suspect some hash/id collision. The user object has some id attached, that is sent to the user in a cookie. It's not a plain number but some kind of hash (I guess), like "wQEkWwsjiBXba9Pq5FDdUe2VAgSdOmS0Ssx". GOG uses multiple cookies like this Those identify session, userauth etc. If these ids collide, you effectively share part of the same session as another user (on the server). This could lead to very unexpected results (like i.e. posting in another's name or haveing a "shared" shopping cart). It should be very improbable to happen, but you know... bugs and manually messing with the database to fix something else...
As far as I remember, when I clicked login, someone else's email was already there, before I clicked in the space or typed anything.

You clearly understand more about the subject than I do, so I'd not want to speculate on what's happening.
Posted November 18, 2014
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Adokat: As far as I remember, when I clicked login, someone else's email was already there, before I clicked in the space or typed anything.

You clearly understand more about the subject than I do, so I'd not want to speculate on what's happening.
Just to be sure: When you clicked login, was there an input field for the email address or just an emailaddress as text and a button to switch to another account? See attached images.
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Posted November 18, 2014
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Adokat: As far as I remember, when I clicked login, someone else's email was already there, before I clicked in the space or typed anything.

You clearly understand more about the subject than I do, so I'd not want to speculate on what's happening.
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toxicTom: Just to be sure: When you clicked login, was there an input field for the email address or just an emailaddress as text and a button to switch to another account? See attached images.
It looks like the first, only there's someone's email already there.

I just tried it again, and I saw a different email address. Someone with the first name Sebastien, and I'm witholding the last name, at a French email address.

Definitely couldn't be from any computer I've signed into, and these being French names makes me think that GoG's adoption of French has gone wrong. I mean, it seems like I could keep logging out and get the email addresses, which often include personal names, of people using the site. I'm not sure what nefarious purpose someone could do with it, but it's worrying.
Posted November 18, 2014
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zeroxxx: Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games. If anything, they'll lock you from activating new games or trading. That's all.
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toxicTom: Then they have changed it some time ago. I know a few people who lost their accounts for good including the games. Must have been in 2008, when Manhunt 2 was released in the UK.
Yea I'm not sure when it changed but even if your account is suspended/banned, you are never blocked from accessing games you own. The caveat here is if you have games that are sitting in inventory as gifts as you will not be able to access those (either to gift or use the key yourself).
Posted November 18, 2014
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Foclock: If [steam] does go down, they already have a backup client to provide you with all the download necessities.
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niky45: while it's true that steam's support has said that, it is not stated in the TOS. and even if it was, they have already changed their TOS unilaterally. and if you didn't agree to the new game, their solution was... to close you account. see, THIS is what I don't like about steam.

only thing that could save you steam's library if steam disappears, is keeping the client offline (... since you won't be able to connect to the servers, anyway). while that could work, I have already lost my HDD info enough times to not consider it a reliable method.

also, I don't really believe the will keep providing downloads once they disappear. you know why? bandwidth and server maintenance cost money. it's okay for them if they earn more money with that, but if they aren't around anymore... then WHO is going to pay for those costs?

(on the other hand, I have to admit that most of my library is on steam... so I really believe they are going to be around for quite a long time. )
You have a point, but I'm merely implying that they would provide services for a set period of time, if anything.
Posted November 18, 2014
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niky45: also, I don't really believe the will keep providing downloads once they disappear. you know why? bandwidth and server maintenance cost money. it's okay for them if they earn more money with that, but if they aren't around anymore... then WHO is going to pay for those costs?
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Foclock: You have a point, but I'm merely implying that they would provide services for a set period of time, if anything.
well.. I suppose we would have some time to download our games, of course. but thats only a supposition. they could close their servers one night, and then, we would have nothing but what's already on our disk drives. there's nothing in the TOS that would prevent it.
Posted November 19, 2014
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niky45: well.. I suppose we would have some time to download our games, of course. but thats only a supposition. they could close their servers one night, and then, we would have nothing but what's already on our disk drives. there's nothing in the TOS that would prevent it.
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Foclock: You have a point, but I'm merely implying that they would provide services for a set period of time, if anything.
Chance of Steam closing down in the near future is slim to none. With all they money they keep making, and the fact that they dwarf all other Digital Distributors combined, it is really not possible to see it happens anytime soon.

Also, even if Valve are out of business, some other companies will buy them likely. They will be the one to provide us with bandwith and servers to download our games.
Posted November 19, 2014
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zeroxxx: Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games. If anything, they'll lock you from activating new games or trading. That's all.
What about this?
Posted November 19, 2014
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zeroxxx: Steam is not that horrible.
With it being this close to winter. It might pay to wait, due to sales and all that.
Posted November 19, 2014
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zeroxxx: Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games. If anything, they'll lock you from activating new games or trading. That's all.
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F4LL0UT: What about this?
Thats a article from 2012 , they have changed the way they deal with issues since then
Posted November 19, 2014
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Foclock: You have a point, but I'm merely implying that they would provide services for a set period of time, if anything.
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zeroxxx: Chance of Steam closing down in the near future is slim to none. With all they money they keep making, and the fact that they dwarf all other Digital Distributors combined, it is really not possible to see it happens anytime soon.

Also, even if Valve are out of business, some other companies will buy them likely. They will be the one to provide us with bandwith and servers to download our games.
large companies have fallen.... they're always the ones everybody thought they were too big to actually fall.

I certainly don't see steam disappearing, say, next year. but give it enough time.

about the other distributors, well, all of them want to have their own client, and some of them have started not publishing their games on steam but only on their own client (battlefield saga comes to mind).

and other company buying them... that would happen ONLY if the other company thinks they can get their money back. but if steam falls, it will be quite hard to get any money back from there.....

since, you know, those things are not like, one day, Gabe decides to close.... it's more like they have a ton of debts which they can't pay.

... I'm off to play those capitalism games and guesstimate the chances of steam closing.
Posted November 19, 2014
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liquidsnakehpks: Thats a article from 2012 , they have changed the way they deal with issues since then
Sure, but still, "Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games" makes it sound like it was completely impossible, like Valve never even considered doing a thing like that and yet, they have done so already. Many times. That even includes a few cases where it was completely unjustified. And it's not like 2012 was ages ago (although okay, February 2012, that's almost three years).

And frankly I think the only reason Valve has changed the policies on banning users is because cases like this one went through the press, not because they are a nice company the consumer can depend on. Also note how in most of these cases support wouldn't lift a finger and wouldn't give the banned user any notable information to help him out, the company only reacted when the bad press began coming in. Stupid jerks.
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Posted November 19, 2014
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F4LL0UT: Sure, but still, "Steam never closes your account or locks you out from playing your games" makes it sound like it was completely impossible
It obviously is possible, but I think that the chance of being banned when you don't do anything questionable, especially if you're just buying and playing single player games, is lower than the chance of being in a car accident.
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