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General discussion (archive)Spoiled by GOG, q about Steam(235 posts)(235 posts)
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Posted November 17, 2014
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Adokat: OK, something strange is going on here. I just woke up, and there are half a dozen posts under my name that I haven't made at all.
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F4LL0UT: So the guy who posted that reply to me and added "I am Adokat?" actually wasn't you? And you then added the other edit?

As crazy as it sounds - it seems that someone has somehow managed to accidentally log himself in as you and wasn't aware of it himself. Must be one hell of a mix up. o_O I'm wondering which user it actually was.
Or maybe Adokat had a little too much to drink. :)
Posted November 17, 2014
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BeckHansen: Must be Valve's doing ;)! That DRM is so persistent it will try to advertise itself on forums! Just joking mate,eh:)
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Adokat: Is it possible that the thread got necro'd, and the replies are actually years old, not less than 14 hours?

One post under my name was edited to say "WAIT this is WEIRD! I'm Adokat? WHAT HAPPENED! " Seems strange.
Assuming you're not pulling our leg here, I'm pretty sure someone other than you has your credentials to log on GOG.com .
Posted November 17, 2014
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Pardinuz: Or maybe Adokat had a little too much to drink. :)
I was actually going to write that first but I'm too intrigued by what's actually going on here. :D
Posted November 17, 2014
Thanks again guys, I know the issue of DRM and ownership of digital products is a big one... didn't mean to cause a big hulabaloo!

Regardless, all your information, even conflicting opinions, is welcome as it informs me of the many ways to look at the issue so that I can make an informed decision.

I really appreciate you guys sharing info I'm sure you already learned about years ago that I'm just learning now... my fault for waiting so long to get into gaming.

As for my issue (if anyone's interested, otherwise welcome to my blog!), there's really only a small number of games I'm even interested in getting on Steam: Skyrim (for the mod community), possibly Dragon Age Origins (also for mods, plus I love that game), the Fable series since it looks interesting, and of course the Fallout series that I kick myself for getting into GOG almost RIGHT after they disappeared.

With this few games, I wonder if it's even worth bothering with? I might get one (probably Skyrim), see how I like it, and go from there. I know Steam and its ilk are probably neither as good nor as bad as people believe... but I still am not crazy about supporting a business model I don't particularly care for (no offense).

Most of all, and the point I should get to the most, is thank you to this wonderful community for all the info and assistance! I'm loving the GOG community more and more, and I'm glad to be here :)

And... please forgive me if you see another topic from me someday poking your brains for info and begging for advice :P
Post edited November 17, 2014 by ChesHatter
Posted November 17, 2014
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Too late. But better late than never... When you buy a game that requires Steam...

1) You do not buy the game itself, or its files.
2) You buy ONLY the LICENSE to USE it (much like a renting service).
3) You NEED steam to install it (even if only to start or finish the installation), to play it, etc.
4) Your product is VULNERABLE to enforced REMOVAL OF ALREADY EXISTING GAME CONTENT, WITHOUT WARNING or COMPENSATION, even if you PURCHASED the game WHOLE quite some time ago, much like the latest GTA Vice City and San Andreas cases.
5) Games that already come with DRΜ measures, are twice the pain to deal with, while using them on steam.
6) Steam keeps track of your activities constantly while you on it, like the hours played. It also collects data dealing with your tastes and preferences, so it can advertize to you "recommended" items to buy. Something that when generic webpages do to your system, leads them to your black list (or your antispyware's/antivirus').
7) You do not have direct control over your saved game content, because it uses a cloud to store them. The procedure to start a game anew by deleting your saves, if and when desired, is quite a pain.

You also run certain risks. Like when you use a code activation of a game, it is already used/redeemed by another account. Case in which, you have to return the product to the place you bought it, and struggle to have it changed, or if you aggressive enough, to get a refund. Steam support washes its hands of any responsibility and doesn't help, not even by telling you WHICH account "stole" it from you.

Also, steam support is quite chaotic; i once asked them for help, and they ridiculously demanded that i contact the company whose game i needed support on. Thankfully, i found an article that solved my issue, and guess what, the solution needed only some tampering from the steam environment. Those people do not even know their damn job.

Be careful when buying from steam. Think of it as encouraging the further trampling of DRM-Free titles. Last but not least, a great deal of games sold here, DRM-Free, suddenly were removed from our store, and either appeared on steam, or existed there already. Don't support the monopolies, and the bashing of the excellent, DRM-Free service.
Everything you said is true but Steam fanboys don't want to hear it. Five minutes of googling can back up everything you've said. And how come there are so many Steam fanboys hanging out at the GOG forum?
Post edited November 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted November 17, 2014
That user was actually me. Sorry about that Adokat. I was wondering about it too because I am logged in the store page with my proper name BUT when I visited the community page I was logged out. So I entered my password and then posted that comment but under a different name. So I visited my library and turned out it was also under a different name. I logged out of it and re-loggin. Now I;m on my proper name. Weird, just weird, creeped me out even.
Posted November 17, 2014
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Pardinuz: Or maybe Adokat had a little too much to drink. :)
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F4LL0UT: I was actually going to write that first but I'm too drunk to know what's actually going on here. :D
Fixed that for you. :P
Posted November 17, 2014
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Adokat: OK, something strange is going on here. I just woke up, and there are half a dozen posts under my name that I haven't made at all.
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F4LL0UT: So the guy who posted that reply to me and added "I am Adokat?" actually wasn't you? And you then added the other edit?

As crazy as it sounds - it seems that someone has somehow managed to accidentally log himself in as you and wasn't aware of it himself. Must be one hell of a mix up. o_O I'm wondering which user it actually was.

You should really change your password, btw, just in case.
I added the edit after that. I did change my password, just to be safe. If I'd had too much to drink, it would be an easier, though sadder, explanation (these posts were made in the morning over here).

I only wondered if the thread had been necro'd because some of "my" posts seem like something I would have said like 4 years ago. The style is different, though, and I don't think I'd capitalize words like that.
Posted November 17, 2014
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F4LL0UT: I was actually going to write that first but I'm too drunk to know what's actually going on here. :D
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monkeydelarge: Fixed that for you. :P
Oh yeah. Payback. Should've seen that coming. :D
Posted November 17, 2014
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StealthMomo: That user was actually me. Sorry about that Adokat. I was wondering about it too because I am logged in the store page with my proper name BUT when I visited the community page I was logged out. So I entered my password and then posted that comment but under a different name. So I visited my library and turned out it was also under a different name. I logged out of it and re-loggin. Now I;m on my proper name. Weird, just weird, creeped me out even.
You guys should send a support ticket immediately, it seems GOG's site has a vulnerability regarding credentials.
Posted November 17, 2014
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StealthMomo: That user was actually me. Sorry about that Adokat. I was wondering about it too because I am logged in the store page with my proper name BUT when I visited the community page I was logged out. So I entered my password and then posted that comment but under a different name. So I visited my library and turned out it was also under a different name. I logged out of it and re-loggin. Now I;m on my proper name. Weird, just weird, creeped me out even.
Well good to know it was nothing malicious, but it weirded me out, too.

What is unnerving is that GoG clearly has some sort of vulnerability, and if someone could figure out how you managed to get logged in under me, they could exploit a lot (though wisely GoG doesn't story my credit card info).
Posted November 17, 2014
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monkeydelarge: When you buy a Steam game, you are really just renting it because you have no control over the game. Any time Steam feels like it it, they can mess with it or remove it or whatever. Steam also uses up resources while running so this could mess with your gaming performance if you have a weak machine. You are also giving your $$$ to the dark side.
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Faenrir: How many times has this happened ? Seriously ? People are just complaining for nothing, steam isn't removing games. You can buy them there, sure you might not have them in 50 years but who cares, i doubt you'd still play them in 50 years anyway...probably due to the lack of computers that would work with them by then. Steam doesn't use resources while you play btw, just deactivate the ingame steam menus.
Also, most of the games can be cracked so if you really can't stand the non-drmfree part, buy the game and crack it.
Steam still uses resources because it needs to run in the background.

And just recently Steam removed the awesome soundtrack from the Steam version of GTA San Andreas... http://www.gog.com/forum/general/recent_steam_gta_san_andreas_update_removes_songs_and_and_resolution_options/post1

Sure, you can buy Steam games and crack them but why do that when you can just buy a GOG version?
Post edited November 17, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted November 17, 2014
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StealthMomo: That user was actually me. Sorry about that Adokat. I was wondering about it too because I am logged in the store page with my proper name BUT when I visited the community page I was logged out. So I entered my password and then posted that comment but under a different name. So I visited my library and turned out it was also under a different name. I logged out of it and re-loggin. Now I;m on my proper name. Weird, just weird, creeped me out even.
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Nirth: You guys should send a support ticket immediately, it seems GOG's site has a vulnerability regarding credentials.
Good idea, I'm sending in a ticket now.
Posted November 17, 2014
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ChesHatter: With this few games, I wonder if it's even worth bothering with? I might get one (probably Skyrim), see how I like it, and go from there. I know Steam and its ilk are probably neither as good nor as bad as people believe... but I still am not crazy about supporting a business model I don't particularly care for (no offense).
So, first of all: If you purchase Skyrim outside of the actual Steam store, Steam sees very little (if any) of that revenue. If you don't want to send money to Gabe, get the game physical or from some of the Steam's key resellers, like GreenManGaming and such.

Second: Skyrim is brilliant, it's absolutely worth bothering with Steam, at least in my opinion. You can get it so cheaply nowadays that you absolutely can just purchase the game and if it doesn't work for you, just forget it. Oh, and you can get complete edition of Dragon Age with all of the millions of DLCs there as well (and better yet - it starts off with only the essential ones activated, without the shitty cheat 'bonus equipment' ones). Oh, just get the Legendary edition if you're thinking of modding.

Shameless plug: My Skyrim modding guide!

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monkeydelarge: Everything you said is true but Steam fanboys don't want to hear it. Five minutes of googling can back up everything you've said. And how come there are so many Steam fanboys hanging out at the GOG forum?
Well you've peaked my curiosity. Go on, post your proof of:
1), 3) and 7) and post your proof of how 2) differs between GOG and Steam. I really want to see it, because:
1) I've copied and manipulated files of many games now, even outside of Steam
2) EULA of games on GOG and of games on Steam gives you the same privileges
3) I've installed a good number of games without Steam on various systems
7) See attachment.

Aaah, I do love how you keep lying from your moral high ground whenever it fits your agenda :-P
Attachments:
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Post edited November 17, 2014 by Fenixp
Posted November 17, 2014
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StealthMomo: That user was actually me. Sorry about that Adokat. I was wondering about it too because I am logged in the store page with my proper name BUT when I visited the community page I was logged out. So I entered my password and then posted that comment but under a different name. So I visited my library and turned out it was also under a different name. I logged out of it and re-loggin. Now I;m on my proper name. Weird, just weird, creeped me out even.
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Adokat: Well good to know it was nothing malicious, but it weirded me out, too.

What is unnerving is that GoG clearly has some sort of vulnerability, and if someone could figure out how you managed to get logged in under me, they could exploit a lot (though wisely GoG doesn't story my credit card info).
Yeah there is. Maybe it has something to do with this sale they are having. I can't seem to replicate it. I'll send a ticket so that they'll know.
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