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Luisfius: How can you consider it bad without trying it first? Yes, the gameplay is basic, basic does not mean "bad" or lackluster. That being said, yes, Solatorobo is a simple game. It is a fun one though, well suited for the handheld it is in. It is cheesy as hell, but not all things need to be serious. It is pretty good at what it tries to do.
I hate the plot premise. Specifically, I think it's braindead stupid.

Watership Down, which realistically portrays rabbits, is AWESOME. Its stated goal was to write about rabbits in a fantastical way that was consistent with actual contemporary knowledge.

Rescue Rangers is very good. It's a cartoon about imaginary friends and their enemies coexisting with real humans. They are rodents, so they scavenge and build awesome stuff out of junk. (Compare and contrast: Toy Story.)

Fables, allegories, etc: animals are caricatures. Animal traits are used to very quickly establish a stereotype. E.g. in a typical Russian folktale, there's a bunch of animals living in the woods. The Bear is slow and usually calm but terrifying in anger, the Wolf is aggressive and evil but dumb, the Fox is clever and yes, sexy, the Hare is weak and therefore cowardly but with occasional flashes of daring and inspiration. The animals stand for stereotypical people in a micro-society. There isn't a tribe or a nation of hares, there's just that one allegorical cowardly person. He's not meant to develop traits not consistent with the stereotype, the whole point of featuring animals is to tell a story about established characters as economically as possible.

I know of one way to make civilizations of antropomorphic animals sort of work: having the technology and the social structure of the civilization in question be heavily influenced by the biology of the base species. Looking at the Wikipedia page, it's very obvious this is not what happens in this game. That leaves two other possibilities. Having a person's character be strongly associated with their race, however fantastical, is racism. Having human bodies with animal heads walking about "just because" is pointless dehumanization. Finally, "humans have gone extinct and were succeeded by furries who have magic and battle robot suits and live forever in a sparkly magical world" is a very specific premise apparently popular in the irrational (read: completely buglove insane) segment of the furry fandom. I find this premise absolutely unacceptable and highly offensive.

And this is why I consider the game bad. I don't need to play it to have an informed opinion. Of course, it may happen that the information in Wikipedia and the linked article is completely false and the game is about something else entirely, but that's a chance so minuscule that I can afford to dismiss it. Humans get a *lot* of information secondhand, and I don't see enough (or, in fact, any) contradictory evidence OR have sufficient motivation to make an exception this time.
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Starmaker: Rescue Rangers is very good. It's a cartoon about imaginary friends and their enemies coexisting with real humans. They are rodents, so they scavenge and build awesome stuff out of junk. (Compare and contrast: Toy Story.)
... have you even watched the show? Imaginary friends? What?

How can you dismiss something like Solatorobo when you don't even care to learn what a show you're taking of is about?
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Foxhack
So your criticism is more towards the structure and world building, which is done in ways you find distateful, fair enough. I was focusing more on things like "how it plays", when I played it I certainly did not dwell on those aspects, focusing more on the next platforming/combat section, which was pretty entertaining. It reminded me quite a bit of Mischief Makers, which was a rather enjoyable title. Fair enough! I certainly was not defending the worldbuilding in it.

I must say that having the plausibility of the worldbuilding being a decisive factor is not something one encounters every day!
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Luisfius
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Starmaker: Rescue Rangers is very good. It's a cartoon about imaginary friends and their enemies coexisting with real humans. They are rodents, so they scavenge and build awesome stuff out of junk. (Compare and contrast: Toy Story.)
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Foxhack: ... have you even watched the show? Imaginary friends? What?

How can you dismiss something like Solatorobo when you don't even care to learn what a show you're taking of is about?
Yes. Stop throwing around baseless accusations. It's a show about human-intelligent little furry critters who coexist with humanity, scavenge scrap, build awesome stuff, get into trouble, get out of it, and help people - often kids - in trouble. A person can live in the real world and (being a little kid) believe the Rescue Rangers are real and around (unlike Superman, who probably lives elsewhere, and sparkly furries on floating islands, who are fictional, because humans are still alive and there are no floating islands).

The fact that the characters are small animals (albeit hyperintelligent and clothes-wearing) that actually exist matters for the plot, the theme, and the characterization. You can't make them angels, or gargoyles, or gnomes and expect the plot, theme and characterization fit together. If they were human-sized, they wouldn't have to invent crazy Rube Goldberg machines to do mundane stuff; awesomeness wouldn't be personal, and personal stories wouldn't be awesome. As small rodents, they have a reason to live in proximity to humans and scavenge scrap; gnomes, being wholly fictional, have no attachment to humans and are free to live in their secret gnome kingdom fighting off Gargamel or whatever. And they have to be fairly antropomorphized, too, because RL mice don't build airships out of discarded plastic bottles. That's how it fits together. That's why intelligent scavenger rodents are awesome and ever-young sparkly magical furries piloting battle robots are not awesome, and never will be.

Now, a quote dump (censored to conform to GOG standards, sorry):
...no one will ever find scientific validation for people who believe that they are the reincarnated souls of Cloud from Final Fantasy VII from another universe. Because Cloud is fictional. And souls are fictional. And reincarnation is fictional. All of that is not real, and science will never "discover" it because it is stupid. And everyone who believes in it is stupid.

And as science continues to march on, the people who believe that they are Na'Vi, or the reincarnations of bulldozers, or whatever will still be stupid. Otherkinism will never become "not reviled" by rationalists, because it is stupid.

People will advance cosmetic surgery and eventually even body transference. And then they will have access to all kinds of cool transhuman options. And that will be awesome. And some people will become tigers, and that will be awesome. And sometimes one of them will tell you that they became a tiger because they always had the soul of a tiger and got put into a human body by mistake of soul incarnation, and that will still be stupid.
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Foxhack: ... have you even watched the show? Imaginary friends? What?

How can you dismiss something like Solatorobo when you don't even care to learn what a show you're taking of is about?
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Starmaker: Yes. Stop throwing around baseless accusations. It's a show about human-intelligent little furry critters who coexist with humanity, scavenge scrap, build awesome stuff, get into trouble, get out of it, and help people - often kids - in trouble. A person can live in the real world and (being a little kid) believe the Rescue Rangers are real and around (unlike Superman, who probably lives elsewhere, and sparkly furries on floating islands, who are fictional, because humans are still alive and there are no floating islands).

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See, here's the problem with your post. You used "imaginary friend" incorrectly.

An "imaginary friend", in English, is used to describe a child's non-existing friend he plays with. By using that phrase in that manner, you changed the whole concept of the show from "animals who help kids" into "a child's imaginary adventures about his non-existing friends."

I'm just going to go to higher ground before the next flood of words shows up, thank you.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Foxhack
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Foxhack: You know what other games are pretty basic?

Super Mario Bros.
Mario IS furry!
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Foxhack: You know what other games are pretty basic?

Super Mario Bros.
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Cambrey: Mario IS furry!
Consider his racoon suits, the frog suit, and the bee suit.
Yeah. Mario is totally a furry.
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Luisfius: Consider his racoon suits, the frog suit, and the bee suit.
Yeah. Mario is totally a furry.
Not to mention his big black furry... mustache.
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Crosmando: Wizardry 8 is a work of art
Finally, we agree on something.

Edit: Also Albion.
Post edited November 06, 2012 by Aaron86
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Foxhack: ... have you even watched the show? Imaginary friends? What?

How can you dismiss something like Solatorobo when you don't even care to learn what a show you're taking of is about?
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Starmaker: Yes. Stop throwing around baseless accusations. It's a show about human-intelligent little furry critters who coexist with humanity, scavenge scrap, build awesome stuff, get into trouble, get out of it, and help people - often kids - in trouble. A person can live in the real world and (being a little kid) believe the Rescue Rangers are real and around (unlike Superman, who probably lives elsewhere, and sparkly furries on floating islands, who are fictional, because humans are still alive and there are no floating islands).

The fact that the characters are small animals (albeit hyperintelligent and clothes-wearing) that actually exist matters for the plot, the theme, and the characterization. You can't make them angels, or gargoyles, or gnomes and expect the plot, theme and characterization fit together. If they were human-sized, they wouldn't have to invent crazy Rube Goldberg machines to do mundane stuff; awesomeness wouldn't be personal, and personal stories wouldn't be awesome. As small rodents, they have a reason to live in proximity to humans and scavenge scrap; gnomes, being wholly fictional, have no attachment to humans and are free to live in their secret gnome kingdom fighting off Gargamel or whatever. And they have to be fairly antropomorphized, too, because RL mice don't build airships out of discarded plastic bottles. That's how it fits together. That's why intelligent scavenger rodents are awesome and ever-young sparkly magical furries piloting battle robots are not awesome, and never will be.

Now, a quote dump (censored to conform to GOG standards, sorry):
...no one will ever find scientific validation for people who believe that they are the reincarnated souls of Cloud from Final Fantasy VII from another universe. Because Cloud is fictional. And souls are fictional. And reincarnation is fictional. All of that is not real, and science will never "discover" it because it is stupid. And everyone who believes in it is stupid.

And as science continues to march on, the people who believe that they are Na'Vi, or the reincarnations of bulldozers, or whatever will still be stupid. Otherkinism will never become "not reviled" by rationalists, because it is stupid.

People will advance cosmetic surgery and eventually even body transference. And then they will have access to all kinds of cool transhuman options. And that will be awesome. And some people will become tigers, and that will be awesome. And sometimes one of them will tell you that they became a tiger because they always had the soul of a tiger and got put into a human body by mistake of soul incarnation, and that will still be stupid.
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Starmaker:
You're trying to pass off something subjective as objective. What makes something Awesome is subjective, I fine Magical furries in giant robots awesome and therefore true to me, therefore it's subjective.

As for that quote: Science has never disproved reincarnation, That is the realm of metaphysics and Science has yet to prove or disprove anything of them, it's up to metaphysical debate.
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roninnogitsune: That is the realm of metaphysics and Science has yet to prove or disprove anything of them
Most of these things can't be disproved. :3
I'm going to regret bumping this, but...

I'm not going to give my opinion on the subculture everyone's afraid (or defensive) of. But I do find this hostility towards a thing about people with animal heads because of some pedantic theory that it's bad writing, or because someone somewhere is jerking off to it, to be ridiculous.

I'm tempted to believe it's all because it's a Roman5 thread.
Post edited November 07, 2012 by Aaron86