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Sachys: Okay, I've put the bold on your quote where it didnt make sense to me (and also in regards to the comment you originally made).
You might have some confusion on this. Not sure (its late here so I guess I'll see when I wake up), but I think you dont 100% understand the doctrines?
Like I said I'll come back to this in the morning (its no attack - just your view confuses me little with the points youve made!).
Eloquent, my salute (much better than I've been of late!)
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darthspudius: Just asking out of curiosity after my friend asked me about the subject.
+rep for this not being about Call of Duty.
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QC:
Pretty much as I presumed.
(im not religeous btw)

I think you have somewhat reslised my point now?!

Edit: might also want to look up constantine for historical info relative to western christianity (as opposed to eastern and broadly orthodox)
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Dischord: Eloquent, my salute (much better than I've been of late!)
Nah... you just need a fresh teet and cigar lad! O__o

heheh!
Post edited March 31, 2014 by Sachys
They're an awful stealth unit.
Oh, I thought this was actually about COD Ghosts. :P I had to read half a page before realizing it wasn't.

Peace out.
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QC:
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Sachys: Pretty much as I presumed.
(im not religeous btw)

I think you have somewhat reslised my point now?!
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Dischord: Eloquent, my salute (much better than I've been of late!)
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Sachys: Nah... you just need a fresh teet and cigar lad! O__o

heheh!
Not entirely, I'm more or less just doing some light writing while doing homework. Chances are I've missed a point, be that a point of view or a point of reference. I'm not religious either, so all of this is just memories from what little I've heard or learned over the last dozen years of my life.
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QC: Exorcisms as I recall tend to be considered a the release of a demon or evil spirit from a person or location. I suppose you could argue a human who relished in chaos would welcome the chance to become a demon, but that would also in itself be a mockery as it means that the Devil has the stronger, and larger forces, and gives a wicked person power instead of punishment. Blessings I believe were the same thing without the angry spirit, a prayer or act to protect a person from such evil. I admit I don't know anything of Late Burials, Sin Triggers or Afterlife Resolutions.
Don't put capital letters there. They're not concept names. i just mean all the medieval (and also modern) tales, documents, chronicles, mentionning tropes such as : a priest having to exorcise a ghost out of a place, a priest putting a ghost to rest through a blessing, or through some sort of "burial" resolution once its remains are found and get a proper ceremony, or ghosts existing because of the (christian) sins they had comitted when alive, or because of some unfinished business with a christian moral flavor.

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QC: For Ghosts, Vamps, Werewolves, ect, I'm curious to find out if those creatures had existed in written lore before the expansion of Christianity out of Rome. They're not in modern bibles, none of those beasts, except for as I recall the Giants, such as the story of David slaying Goliath. If those creatures are indeed then a part of the fundamental mythology, and religion itself, then we should instead argue that the US practices a perverse and misinformed denomination, as it started in Europe and moved on to North America.
Christianity is much wider than the bible, it's a whole culture with varying representations, beliefs, practices. Many mythological elements (certainly even at the core) pre-existed and were given a christian spin afterwards. The whole celtic mythology got re-shaped by christianity, and its various spiritual entities got polarized into devil stuff and holy stuff (mostly devilish though). Think not only of the christian grail (and king Arthur isn't in the roman bible either, but his grail version is a total christianisation), but trolls (who "smell christian blood") and all the dragons and whatnot that get eradicated by catholic saints, underworld gnomes who roam the earth around christmas and get chased away by monks (the greek kalikantzari for instance)... Many of them are "invented" by christianity even when it's an adaptation of older traditional concepts, such as spiritual beings demonized by missionaries.

All of this is part of the christian mythology (as are vampiric ex-sinners who are scared of the cross, or whatever monster flees in front holy water), the same way that floating messiahs, fugitives-turned-into-salt-statues, and bread-turned-flesh are. It is not a "perversion" of anything. What is artificial and, in practice, false, is the puritan fundamentalism reference to some restrictive dogma which doesn't match the actual universe of christian people.

Christianity is defined by the practical reality of its actual usages and the beliefs (contemporary or historical) of the actual people who self-define as christians. If you refr to some more abstract, ideal, never-exclusively-endorsed-as-is, dogma, then you end up with a word of "christian" which actually designates nobody and nothing on earth.
Post edited March 31, 2014 by Telika
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Sachys:
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QC: From what I recall, the story of how Christianity originated (As opposed to the in-book guide) was with a Roman General, facing a foe that he was unsure he could defeat. In his dreams he saw a flaming cross appear to him in the stars, a voice telling him to spread the symbol across his armies shields, and they would see victory. He did so, and proceeded to survive, eventually becoming emperor and establishing Christianity.
I think, if the Battle for Rome is to be believed, you are describing Constantine on his return to Rome from Britain. If you're interested in history of this sort, the episodes about Nero and Tiberius Grachus (can't recall how to spell that) are pretty good. Bare in mind, the winners wrote the history of Nero, therefore we have nothing else to go on. He may, or may not, have been crazy.
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QC:
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Sachys: Pretty much as I presumed.
(im not religeous btw)

I think you have somewhat reslised my point now?!

Edit: might also want to look up constantine for historical info relative to western christianity (as opposed to eastern and broadly orthodox)
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Dischord: Eloquent, my salute (much better than I've been of late!)
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Sachys: Nah... you just need a fresh teet and cigar lad! O__o

heheh!
Right on with Constantine and his mother (the dream,) for instruction, but a cigar? I'm not quite that cultured; prefer the vulgarism of my cigarette :-)
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Darvond: They're an awful stealth unit.
Or the title to a story that any self respecting Hollywood writer should be absolutely ashamed for writing, even if it were a B movie helping a charity for free much more for millions of dollars.
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Dischord: Right on with Constantine and his mother (the dream,) for instruction, but a cigar? I'm not quite that cultured; prefer the vulgarism of my cigarette :-)
O____o- - - - - - -
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Elmofongo: You would make friends to a Ghost who would potentially say to your daughter: "Can I keep you?"
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darthspudius: That's exactly what I was thinking. He might be innocent at heart but god damn son!
I'm pretty sure he's Richie Rich.
Here's some flamebait for you - can atheists believe in ghosts? :D
What's the deal with members with "darth" in their names starting topics about ghosts?
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nadenitza: Here's some flamebait for you - can atheists believe in ghosts? :D
I've met some atheists who did. Not sure why, but they don't normally question my beliefs, so I guess we're cool.