What ?!

Whah? Where'd you get that from? It plays DS and DSi games fine, I was playing SoulSilver and New Super Mario Bros. earlier. Oh and it's a much much bigger step up than DS to DSi (which was hardly anything). Have a look at this if you don't believe me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFWPM5XrzIk
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was saying. I think there's possibly some reason they can't do that.

Yes... It is an "Epic Facepalm" that someone isn't crazy about 3D graphics on a screen about the size of a deck of playing cards. Far be it from me, someone who has been sexually active longer than you've been alive, to have different interests in gaming. That doesn't make one of us better than the other... it just makes us different people, at different places, with different interests and priorities in our lives.

And older gamers? Yes, older than 12... but not too much older. I'm not really hyped to play Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor, the RPG about a bunch of emo kids battling demons. All in all, it is a pretty unimpressive list "TO ME", especially once you strip out all the Japanese only releases. And even if all those games were exactly what I liked in gaming, I'd still have to hold this little toy in my hand and look at a screen that is under 4 inches.

But whatever... From my perspective, it's a toy. Anything that you hold in your hands and play in the back of an SUV because your attention span is too short for a trip to the soccer match, is a toy. That's why my neighbor's kids both have one. I, on the other hand, can game on real screens in my own home office and my own home theater. And if I really need to entertain myself while I'm waiting on something, my iPhone delivers Angry Birds just fine... which accounts for 100% of my tiny screen gaming needs.

Which is half of my point... It's too small to be useful to me, and its clearly targeted to a very young audience... The other half not being that 3D is bad, but rather that 3D is a fad that fails to really enhance gaming and I don't care about it.

But seriously, if you wonder why Nintendo has suffers from the stereotype that their games are for kids... it's because they've spent years and million of dollars building that very reputation.

Well. I count 9 games on that list I would consider mature, excluding a few I don't know a lot about. And I believe none of those 9 are launch titles anywhere. Then again, Nintendo have never, ever launched a console with such a game in the launch lineup. In terms of number of 3DS games available at launch I think the 3DS ranks 2nd or 3rd overall.

It doesn't change the fact that a 3DS is primarily marketed at kids and adolescents though, and Nintendo would like to keep it that way very much indeed.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/28/3ds-black-screen-of-death-error-reports-creep-in/

I think this is the first time I see something like this, especially at launch

Considering that Nintendo's systems were always Rock-solid and almost completely fault-proof this is a worrying sign

Ace Combat 3D Teen
Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy Mature
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift II Teen
BloodRayne: The Shroud Mature
The Conduit 3DS Mature
Dead or Alive: Dimensions Teen
Driver: Renegade Mature
Dynasty Warriors Teen
Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D Mature
Ninja Gaiden Mature
Resident Evil: Revelations Mature
Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D Mature
Samurai Warriors: Chronicles Teen
Saints Row: Drive-By Mature
Shin Megami Tensei Teen
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona Teen
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked Teen
Super Street Fighter IV 3D Edition Teen
Tales of the Abyss Teen
Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars Mature
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 3D Mature


That is just the ones I know...

So, I'm genuinely curious here: does the 3D actually add anything to the gameplay (at least in any of the games you have played), or is it simply a nice graphical effect?

(I really am curious. Just mentioning that because the above could be taken in all sorts of troll-esque ways, and that is not my intention)

Teen isn't mature, even if you are one.

Seriously? What the hell are you all arguing about? Someone who doesn't like portable gaming will never like the 3DS no matter what games are on there. The kiddy stuff is really annoying, but seeing as it's mostly coming from people who don't know what they are talking about, it's not surprising. It's true that most stores carry only games for children but that's where the internet comes in. Look around, learn about the DS library and then come back and say that there are only kiddy games for it with a straight face. This is the same as someone saying that the ps3 is only for kids because it has The Sims on it.
Grow up people. Just because YOU don't like it and YOU think something is true doesn't make it a fact, so please don't state it as such, it just makes you seem ignorant. You can have your opinion but please don't state it as it's a fact, really.

To the topic of 3DS, I will get one, but I'll wait probably a year or so. The launch titles don't interest me as much, it needs time to get the good stuff like every console. Someone mentioned Etrian Odyssey, I'm right with you, looking forward to that. The DS was kind to us dungeon crawling people, I certainly got my moneys worth. Generally, from my point of view, the DS (and PSP as I'm finding out) is very generous to RPG loving people. Here's hoping to the 3DS being the same.

I'm damn near 21 years old for one thing.

The point that I am making (& for whatever reason you can't seem to grasp it) is that the 3DS is not a kiddy/casual system like some of you are making it out to be. Every single one of those games are hardcore games aimed at older people. Besides.... what in the fuck does it matter if a game is rated E... are you too MATURE to play a game that your children play? Last time I checked Zelda & Mario games are typically rated E & are considered some of the greatest games every made.
There are no games that take advantage of it gameplay wise yet (bet your ass that games *such as Warioware* do in the future though).

That being said.... the 3d is actually quite nice & does alot for the visuals.

So far, of all the games I've tested, there is NO change of gameplay with the 3D.

I think it'll manifest itself in games where depth perception is useful, such as Kid Icarus and Lylat Wars 3D. When I used to play Lylat Wars I remember sometimes having trouble judging the distance of enemies, 3D should help with that. =D

I think I'll wait for an alternative portable. I had a DS and it was a big disappointment, underpowered and gimmicky. The screen res was too low and the move into 3d gaming was poor, they should've worked on a higher resolution 2D, single screen device. 3DS seems more of the same thing but with gimmicky 3D. I'm fairly happy with my PSP but it's a shame it was a failure considering the potential (It does have a lot of good games though, many of which reviewers never even bothered to review). I just hope Nintendo gets over this silliness and brings out a real portable console again in the future as they've had some great ones and I hate the dual screen system.

Super Street Fighter IV 3D would like to have a word with you....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRgOXdi8O_0

On a side note... you are gonna have to get over your distaste for touch screen gaming. It is here to stay.... even Sony has took up the idea on the NGP.