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Posted May 03, 2011
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klaymen: This made me laugh today:
"We apologize for the mistake in the report about the death of Bin Laden. There was a typo. Bin Laden is dad. Additionally, congratulations!"
Ha! Despite myself I laughed.
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: In America people get arrested and punished for accidental killings all the time. In war it should be no different, both being punishable in some way that is. The fact is the people in charge/etc didn't do it once but several times over. This wasn't a one time "Oops, we're sorry" kinda deal.
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lukipela: You are correct, however, we dont prosecute the manager at pizza hut if one of his driver's runs someone over. This is what you are asking.
However, you can sue the Pizza Hut if the driver runs someone over while performing his job in civil court under the legal concept of respondeat superior.

/Random law knowledge
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: If the higher ups bad intel was responsible then YES. And no i'm not naive. I'm just not into letting people off easy just because it's their job to kill people and they kill people they shouldn't and get a slap on the wrist.
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lukipela: So, tell me, where do we stop?

Does the higher up that gave the intel the the operations team get the axe?

Or do we go to the next guy that verified the intel as accurate?

Do we focus on the person that generated the intel be it an NSA wiretap or a CI?

Do we prosecute the guy that loaded the bombs onto the plane? I mean, he had one of the biggest roles in the entire operation. If not for him, the bomb wouldnt have been dropped.

You are naive. Your idea would pretty much do nothing in terms of accountability, it would just paralyze our intelligence community and put more lives in danger because no one wants to approve anything that might end up having collateral damage.

Armchair generals need to pack up and go on over if they think they can manage the war better.
The higher ups who approved and the people who interpreted it wrongly before handing it on to the higher ups in these cases. It's their jobs, after all, to make sure the intel is accurate and to prevent these situations from happening.

And again, i'm not naive. Yes, some collateral damage can occur in war, but the amount that's happened so far in Iraq is nothing short of criminal in my eyes. As I said before this isn't a one time thing or a rare occurance...if it were we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: The higher ups who approved and the people who interpreted it wrongly before handing it on to the higher ups in these cases. It's their jobs, after all, to make sure the intel is accurate and to prevent these situations from happening.

And again, i'm not naive. Yes, some collateral damage can occur in war, but the amount that's happened so far in Iraq is nothing short of criminal in my eyes. As I said before this isn't a one time thing or a rare occurance...if it were we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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lukipela: We have had less civilian deaths in Iraq than we did in WW2..
We've had more civilian deaths in Iraq though than died in all the 9/11 attacks combined.
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: We've had more civilian deaths in Iraq though than died in all the 9/11 attacks combined.
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lukipela: And how many can be attributed to NATO actions?
I'm talking about the ones caused by "friendly fire accidents", naturally. Even without all the rest caused by other things the number is still higher.
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: We've had more civilian deaths in Iraq though than died in all the 9/11 attacks combined.
I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you, but this is exactly the reason why I refuse to celebrate the death of Bin Laden. Many are claiming that his death is retribution for 9/11, but 9/11 was in fact retribution for the thousands of Iraqi innocents killed by the US Army. Retribution is wrong; both sides are as bad as each other.
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: I'm talking about the ones caused by "friendly fire accidents", naturally. Even without all the rest caused by other things the number is still higher.
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lukipela: How many?

You seem outraged by it, so you should have a number.
Like an exact number can ever be figured........
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: Like an exact number can ever be figured........
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lukipela: So, are you admitting you have no actual number when you claim the civilian death count attributable to FF incidents is higher than the 9/11 body count?
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Posted May 03, 2011
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GameRager: Like an exact number can ever be figured........
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lukipela: So, are you admitting you have no actual number when you claim the civilian death count attributable to FF incidents is higher than the 9/11 body count?
1. I haven't checked in awhile so I don't remember the exact count.....but alot of news sources at the time said(and I checked and verified) that the totals for friendly fire civilian kills was higher than the number who died on 9/11.
Posted May 03, 2011
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lukipela: So, are you admitting you have no actual number when you claim the civilian death count attributable to FF incidents is higher than the 9/11 body count?
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Lockmat: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Well, that says it all, doesn't it?

The number of civilian deaths in Iraq is between 100,622 and 109,919, a direct consequence of the occupation.

In total 3,497 people died in the attacks on 11 September 2001, and that includes the terrorists.
Posted May 03, 2011
So the boogieman of the first decade of the 21st century is dead. At this point.... I don't think his death will mean more than catharsis to some people.
Posted May 03, 2011
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oldschool: Calling someone is idiot because you dont agree with them is pretty ignorant. Imho, Bin laden didnt have the proper resources to pull off an attack of that magnitude.
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nondeplumage: GOG is having a special tin foil hat promo this weekend. I'd jump all over that, if I were you.
Wow, don't hold back. You can take a day off from being an ass. Look, im glad the prick is dead but don't go on believing all the bullshit that the government feeds the media which in turn gets fed back to us, it's laughable at best. I used to think most of these conspiracy theory people were nuts at best, but there is bit of truth some of these stories. Try opening you're mind a little.

Oh, and that tim foil hat you mentioned earlier, you know what you can do with that right?
Posted May 03, 2011
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Osama_bin_Laden: There is no ignominy, there is glory,
There is no servitude, there is dominance,
There is no defeat, there is victory... victory eternal!
Sir, can you prove to me that you are from these United States?
Posted May 03, 2011
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lukipela: I suffer from erectile dysfunction, and no matter how much Viagra I take, it won't stay up.
Over 100,000 civilians have died as a direct result of the occupation of Iraq.
Posted May 03, 2011
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nmillar: Over 100,000 civilians have died as a direct result of the occupation of Iraq.
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lukipela: Like I said, grow up.
Wait, you're applying the theory that he's acting childish in his argumentations, and yet when he then stoops to where you want him to be, you continue to disapprove? You indirectly asked him to act like that in any case.

Besides, Guile's Theme Goes With Everything (lukipela's argumentation). Find the music track yourself :p
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