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I can't believe they finally found Osama!
There won't be more minigames about killing Bin Laden, then.
Like this one.
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StingingVelvet: I am getting a huge kick out of reading whiny liberal anti-america rhetoric today. My favorite was the one where someone called Osama a "harmless old man."

A mass murderer was killed, and thank God for that. Politics are completely irrelevant.
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drmlessgames: Yes, he was a mass murderer, yes, this is a symbolic win at most, yes, and it was pretty pathetic and idiotic to cheer and throw celebrations at someone's death, yes too.
I do think the celebrations were ridiculous, it reminded me of the streets of many Muslim nations on 9/11. Not a parallel you really want to see. That said I do agree with being happy he's dead, so... it's all about how you express that I suppose, like many things in life.

What I do not agree with is questioning the morality of killing him, which is common sense good.
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drmlessgames: Yes, he was a mass murderer, yes, this is a symbolic win at most, yes, and it was pretty pathetic and idiotic to cheer and throw celebrations at someone's death, yes too.
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StingingVelvet: I do think the celebrations were ridiculous, it reminded me of the streets of many Muslim nations on 9/11. Not a parallel you really want to see. That said I do agree with being happy he's dead, so... it's all about how you express that I suppose, like many things in life.

What I do not agree with is questioning the morality of killing him, which is common sense good.
I guess you would have preferred he had been captured and tried? So would many others, I guess, but I wouldn't put it past him to have thought "No way! I saw what you did to Hussein! I'm going down fighting!".
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StingingVelvet: I do think the celebrations were ridiculous, it reminded me of the streets of many Muslim nations on 9/11. Not a parallel you really want to see. That said I do agree with being happy he's dead, so... it's all about how you express that I suppose, like many things in life.

What I do not agree with is questioning the morality of killing him, which is common sense good.
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predcon: I guess you would have preferred he had been captured and tried? So would many others, I guess, but I wouldn't put it past him to have thought "No way! I saw what you did to Hussein! I'm going down fighting!".
Not sure where you got that assumption since I said I was happy he's dead.
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lukipela: I did not celebrate his death. I am happy that he is dead though.

The world needs less murderous jackasses.
Right on.
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Virama: This won't be a popular stance but I'm disgusted by the USA.

All this "tears of joy" bullshit makes me sick.

What about Vietnam? Iraq? USA has done its fair bit of fucked up shit. To wit, here is my facebook status:

****** finds it interesting how everyone is all proud and going "Woohoo" that Osama Bin Laden is dead. Yet no one is recognising the fact that he hid for over a decade from the world's leading superpower, fought for what he believed in and pretty much never stooped down to a media shit-flinging fight. At least he had integrity. RIP brave warrior of Allah.
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enterprise2004: I could give you lee way if he was a leader in a war against the US and fought and killed only US soldiers. It's war, everybody has their own side. But he caused the deaths of over 3,000 civilians. That's not brave, that's cowardly. If you want to fight a war, fight with the men and women who are trained to fight, not some office worker who barely knows how to use a fax machine.
We've actually killed more civilians in friendly fire accidents in Iraq and Afghanistan than AlQueda ever killed in ALL the 9/11 attacks.....just stating facts.
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GameRager: We've actually killed more civilians in friendly fire accidents in Iraq and Afghanistan than AlQueda ever killed in ALL the 9/11 attacks.....just stating facts.
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lukipela: 9/11 was an intentional attack.

Not an accident.

That is the difference.
Doesn't matter......and to basically be okay with/justify all those deaths because they were accidents(and we don't have much proof that all were accidental) is very abhorrent to me TBH.
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GameRager: Doesn't matter......and to basically be okay with/justify all those deaths because they were accidents(and we don't have much proof that all were accidental) is very abhorrent to me TBH.
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lukipela: No. He intended to cause massive civilian casualties.

Intentions do matter.
That's not my point.......my point is that deaths of civillians are abhorrent and wrong regardless of intention on such a scale.
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GameRager: That's not my point.......my point is that deaths of civillians are abhorrent and wrong regardless of intention on such a scale.
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lukipela: You are correct, they are wrong.

It is still two different situations. They are incomparable.
They are comparable in that they are both massive amount of civilian deaths that happened for no good reason.
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GameRager: They are comparable in that they are both massive amount of civilian deaths that happened for no good reason.
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lukipela: Right, just like apples and oranges are similar because they are fruit.
Probably sarcasm on your part, but that's right. Also, how many of the people(higher ups and the ones who commit the acts) of accidental human losses in the current wars punished? And how many times is the punishment more than a slap on tehe wrist for those involved?
There's three problems with bringing people to "justice":

- dirty laundry
- precedents
- hidden agendas

It's nearly always one of these three that prevents anything from really happening. Either they're afraid it will set a precedent that will affect others, maybe political allies or friends, or there's secret agendas involved that might get out if they air the laundry upon prosecuting, etc. Nearly everyone in a high place of power got there with help. If you condemn a head of a country, you also put yourself and your country at stake for all the past dealings you had with that country. With generals and other military personnel, you always have someone higher up who "OKed" the order so they'll look bad for having done so, etc. etc. etc.

The problem, basically, is that everything is tightly knit together politically and as long as people pull strings behind the screen, "justice" is never going to happen. We live in a world where the very powerful are almost untouchable unless they fall out of favour.
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GameRager: Probably sarcasm on your part, but that's right. Also, how many of the people(higher ups and the ones who commit the acts) of accidental human losses in the current wars punished? And how many times is the punishment more than a slap on tehe wrist for those involved?
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lukipela: Are you suggesting that people should be punished for things outside their control?
In America people get arrested and punished for accidental killings all the time. In war it should be no different, both being punishable in some way that is. The fact is the people in charge/etc didn't do it once but several times over. This wasn't a one time "Oops, we're sorry" kinda deal.
Post edited May 03, 2011 by GameRager
This made me laugh today:
"We apologize for the mistake in the report about the death of Bin Laden. There was a typo. Bin Laden is dad. Additionally, congratulations!"
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GameRager: In America people get arrested and punished for accidental killings all the time. In war it should be no different, both being punishable in some way that is. The fact is the people in charge/etc didn't do it once but several times over. This wasn't a one time "Oops, we're sorry" kinda deal.
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lukipela: You are correct, however, we dont prosecute the manager at pizza hut if one of his driver's runs someone over. This is what you are asking.
Yes but this is the military i'm talking about and you'ree talking about the private sector. In most cases, the troops doing the "smart" bombing runs are acting on bad intel/orders from higher ups or others that are involved. They imo should be held somewhat responsible for these deaths.

With the pizza driver scenario you don't have the driver speeding at thousands of miles an hour while blind to what's in front of him while taking driving directions/advice from his manager.
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GameRager: Yes but this is the military i'm talking about and you'ree talking about the private sector. In most cases, the troops doing the "smart" bombing runs are acting on bad intel/orders from higher ups or others that are involved. They imo should be held somewhat responsible for these deaths.

With the pizza driver scenario you don't have the driver speeding at thousands of miles an hour while blind to what's in front of him while taking driving directions/advice from his manager.
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lukipela: Again, you are saying that people should be held accountable for things that are outside of their control.

Basically, you sound really naive.
If the higher ups bad intel was responsible then YES. And no i'm not naive. I'm just not into letting people off easy just because it's their job to kill people and they kill people they shouldn't and get a slap on the wrist.