http://www.gamesradar.com/24-laughably-terrible-xbla-indie-games/
I've never encountered a bad AAA game as bad as those games...
I have not made your "first mistake" and never will. I don't know why you would assume I think indies are inexperienced idiots. It's really annoying to talk to someone who just assumes this and that about me, because I used the words "bad indie games". Stop assuming things. Stop thinking you know me.

"Second mistake you make is to assume that good developers make a good game"
Are you serious?
Did I say all indie developers suck at game development or want to grab some fast dollars? No.

Yes, anything is possible. A large team of skilled or gifted people with a big budget can release the worst game ever made in the history of the world but this is not very likely. I doubt this will happen and I doubt this will happen often. And from what I've seen, this has never happened. And the worst AAA games are better than the worst indie games out there if you appreciate expensive graphics, voice acting, sound effects and music.

No, reality has shown me bad indie games are worse(in my eyes) than bad AAA games. If you enjoy shitty graphics, shitty sound and shitty music then obviously, there will be very few bad indie games worse than bad AAA non indie games. This post of yours, actually supports what I've been saying. :) To believe, a large team of gifted, talented and financially well equipped people can make a game as bad as a bad game made by poor indie developers who suck at game development and just want to make some dollars... is madness... To believe a bad game is a bad game is to be believe an apple is an orange. That is insane. And even if the AAA game wasn't made by skilled or gifted people, the AAA game was made with more money. And that means, the AAA game has more expensive graphics, music, sound effects and voice acting. And in the eyes of someone who appreciates expensive graphics, music, sound effects and voice acting, the AAA game has redeeming qualities while the bad indie game does not have any redeeming qualities. All the indie games out there better than many AAA games were simply made by very gifted or skilled people who made games with such amazing game play that expensive graphics, music, sound effects and voice acting would only be extra icing on the super delicious cake.

If you really think that expensive graphics, music, sound and voice acting can outweigh poor gameplay and make a bad game enjoyable, I can't help you. Let's agree to disagree.

I never said this... I think a game with expensive graphics, music, sound and voice acting but poor game play is better a game with cheap graphics, music, sound and no voice acting and even worse game play.... And yes, a bad game can still be enjoyable...if it has qualities, you can appreciate it. Imagine a game, with poor game play but all the voice actors are your favorite actors(and actresses) and the soundtrack for the game was made by your favorite artist. You wouldn't enjoy the game, even a little bit? Not even for a few minutes?

There's nothing really provocative about your post, especially since you admit it's just about your personal pet peeves, despite the generalizing thread title. You could probably summarize it as:

- Subpar game design (such as inconsistent gameplay elements, bad balance)
- Artificial restrictions (such as unskippable elements, lack of choice in difficulty and playstyle)
- Treating players as cash cows (via excessive and expensive DLCs or by putting content length over content quality)
- Games that confront you with your OCDs in an uncomfortable way ...

And I guess almost everyone would agree that these things aren't that great (unless you don't have OCDs - in which case maybe none of these is a problem since if worst comes to worst you can just skip the games if they annoy you - or you fully embrace your OCDs with glee, in which case you might get your kicks from buying everything there is to buy and replaying the games over and over again, just for the tiniest of achievements and new discoveries). ;)

I mentioned my personal pet peeves and look what happened... So his post is provocative. The kind of people who would be irritated by his post simply hasn't come across it yet and maybe they never will. One thing GOG has taught me is almost everything you can say is provocative to someone. I could say something like "smoking is unhealthy" and that will piss some people off.

I didn't read the entirety of the thread yet, which post do you refer to?

One of my personal pet peeves aka pests of modern gaming.
"11. Horrible indie games. I'm not talking about all indie games. Just the ones with shitty graphics, shitty game play, shitty everything but looks retro so some people are into it. "

And it was very provocative.

1.On-line clients like Steam, Uplay etc.

I want to play my single-player game, go fuck yourselves with your Internet-dependant services. Assholes, die the worst death.

2.Online-forced single player games (Diablo III)

Blizzard, you are the true Prime Evil. I hope you disappear from the universe asap.

3.Cloud gaming

On-live lasted for a very short time, I hope PlayStation Now and other shit of this kind will bring corporations to their knees.

4.Digital-only releases

Digital delivery can be nice (ie GOG.com), but I want my fucking disk to put in my fucking DVD/BD drive. I'm willing to pay for this, why these idiots don't want to sell me to it? Bah....

5.HTML5

Worst shit ever, gaming-wise. The "HTML5 is the future" mantra is a fucking joke, Flash was better than this "HTML5 is the future" shit 10 years ago already.

6.Anti-P2P and pro-industry propaganda discussing about nothing on Internet forums.

You poor dumb-asses, "piracy" is mostly bullshit and certainly "IT ISN'T FUCKING THIEVERY". You disgust me, you poor brainwashed drones.

+1 for this post. I like that you said what is on your mind instead of the typical not offensive to anyone rated G posts you find here.

I see. Well, if you want my assessment, I'd say Fenixp's first reply to your post was more provocative than your OP (you just ranted about games, he implied your ranting was kind of dumb), but to me it seems you let yourself get provoked and angered easily by what others write, too. I think you were right when you wrote that it's mostly just a discussion about personal preferences and opinions, so it's not really worth getting worked up over. Life's a lot easier if one ignores both "shitty" games and provocative internet posts. At least that's my personal opinion, YMMV. ;)

1-2 oh yes. I mean, oh no.
My gaming PC has a very limited internet connection, wich means that even if I buy a game from steam legitimately I still have to pirate it to be able to play it on my gaming pc. Genius.
(But at least I buy it. It's not relly my fault that my gaming pc has trash internet)
4 - IMO it's not that bad. If I want a reatil copy of a digital game I burn it on a DVD and print a colorful cover. What I find to be 10 times more annoying is the "you have the retail copy of the full game in your hands, now hook it to steam, or you won't play it" type of bullshit. I miss the old days when I bought, or *ghasp* rented a game, installed it, then played it with no other trash involved.

Yeah, I have very little patience.

Back to the topic. Another pest of modern gaming for me is

13. It's become trendy for companies to make games that are politically correct and appeal to everyone(men, women, children, old people etc) and I don't like this because I'm a fan of games with lots of violence, sex, realism and darkness. :) So these games aren't being made anymore. Where is the sequel to Vampire Bloodlines?

Well, you should be glad then you never encountered Rambo: The Video Game, Ride to Hell: Retribution or - to give an old example - Command & Conquer: Sole Survivor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Betts
I think that guy would disagree!

I disagree partially, but it is a good posting to have nonetheless! Thank you!