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Syme: So does this mean that someone without a Steam account cannot play the game?
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Ralackk: Yep, this game is forever tied to steam, you want to play it you need steam now.

Drat. I was looking forward to this one.
Thanks for the reply, Ralackk.
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lackoo1111: i'm removing it from my wishlist
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bansama: And I've added it to mine. But my wishlist contains only regionally restricted titles that I cannot buy. Being a Sid Meier game and now Steam only, I'm fairly certain that Civ. 5 now falls in the soon to be regionally restricted bracket.

I am pretty sure Civ 5 is gonna be available worldwide, 2k games is trying to to make their whole catalogue on steam available for everyone. I'm in chile and you can see the Civ 5 page without problem.
I was just thinking the other day "So Civ 5 is coming out, but I bought Civ 4 a while back and haven't gotten around to it yet. Maybe I should have passed?"
I don't use Steam and don't intend to start, so I guess my question is answered.
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AndrewC: What the heck has that to do with Gabe?
Since the game will use the Steamworks crap,don't tell me that only the publisher sets the price.
Scheduled to launch this September, the Standard Edition will set you back $49.99/€49.99/£29.99,
while the Digital Deluxe Edition, including an exclusive scenario, goes for an inflated $59.99/€59.99/£39.99
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gyokzoli: Yeah but downloading the torrent is useless unless you have a legal key or you are a cracker.

Well, the whole "or you are a cracker" is the case in point. They don't want the files to be available to anyone else except the authorized users who actually bought the game. That's the whole concept behind DRM, stopping 0day piracy where someone gets a hold of a version of the game before/at the same time of release and cracks it.
Without access to the game files you can't crack anything ;)
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AndrewC: What the heck has that to do with Gabe?
Since the game will use the Steamworks crap,don't tell me that only the publisher sets the price.
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lackoo1111: Scheduled to launch this September, the Standard Edition will set you back $49.99/€49.99Euro/GBP29.99,
while the Digital Deluxe Edition, including an exclusive scenario, goes for an inflated $59.99/€59.99Euro/GBP39.99

Yet again, what does the developers decision to release a Deluxe Edition along with a standard one has to do with Steam?
Post edited May 06, 2010 by AndrewC
The collector's edition having an extra playable civ is a very bad signal to my mind. Will this test the water for Civ 5 DLC? I'm not actually sure that I like that idea, as opposed to the traditional large expansion packs that the past 3 versions of Civ have received. I don't think that strategy games benefit from a piecemeal approach to released content, such as the overpowered elite units of the last two Total War games.
Ah well, I shall remain sceptically curious to future developments.
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drmlessgames: I suppose, but that defeats the entire point of digital games. So it's either their crappy bandwidth killing download service, or brick and mortar. Why can't they just bring about the already available downloading methods like torrents and such, which are much more reliable than theirs I may add. I myself am not in the usa, i would have to order the 50$ boxed game and pay S&H. And wait about 3-4 weeks before it arrives.
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AndrewC: Releasing as torrents has hell of a lot of issues regarding authentication and verifying that the person downloading is indeed the owner of said files.
As for crappy bandwidth killing download service, I think you need to talk to your ISP ;)
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lackoo1111: that's 59.99€
nice move Gabe

What the heck has that to do with Gabe? And I again don't see the problem here: you want to play with the babylonians, then buy that extended version (think of it as a collectors edition). The whole 2 versions of the game comes from the devs and not Valve.

Only that it stinks of paid DLC, like the $14 map pack for MW2. Basically now you buy the game pieces and you are charged for each.
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Gexecuter: I am pretty sure Civ 5 is gonna be available worldwide, 2k games is trying to to make their whole catalogue on steam available for everyone. I'm in chile and you can see the Civ 5 page without problem.

Sadly that's how it always starts. The page is erroneously displayed worldwide (sometimes even with a purchase button) to then be removed without notice at a later date. Seen it happen all too often recently here to the point that I won't trust anything in the coming soon list on Steam from a major publisher.
Also given that all other Sid Meier games used to be sold worldwide on Steam until about 2 years ago, when 2K "temporarily" removed them (for no more than a week -- according to promises by 2K Elizabeth), and that they are still not available in the regions they were removed from, I really find it hard to believe that we'll see a game with Meier's name on released here.
That said, I really hope 2K prove me wrong. It'll be a welcome change to seeing most major releases wind up restricted here (recently, mainly thanks to Square fucking Enix who enjoy buying up distribution rights for consoles and PCs and then letting the PC rot without access to the game).
Oh, I should also add that there's no point in pre-purchasing it, as it's a SteamWorks title, which these days mean that chances are good that Valve/2K will use the built in IP blocking to prevent activation in regions where the game isn't sold.
Post edited May 06, 2010 by bansama
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drmlessgames: Only that it stinks of paid DLC, like the $14 map pack for MW2. Basically now you buy the game pieces and you are charged for each.
thanks :)
My most anticipated game of this year. Determined to get the Collector's Edition. Then I saw this post and then BAH! Still getting CE most probably, but BAH, this sucks!
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Gexecuter: I am pretty sure Civ 5 is gonna be available worldwide, 2k games is trying to to make their whole catalogue on steam available for everyone. I'm in chile and you can see the Civ 5 page without problem.
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bansama: Sadly that's how it always starts. The page is erroneously displayed worldwide (sometimes even with a purchase button) to then be removed without notice at a later date. Seen it happen all too often recently here to the point that I won't trust anything in the coming soon list on Steam from a major publisher.
Also given that all other Sid Meier games used to be sold worldwide on Steam until about 2 years ago, when 2K "temporarily" removed them (for no more than a week -- according to promises by 2K Elizabeth), and that they are still not available in the regions they were removed from, I really find it hard to believe that we'll see a game with Meier's name on released here.
That said, I really hope 2K prove me wrong. It'll be a welcome change to seeing most major releases wind up restricted here (recently, mainly thanks to Square fucking Enix who enjoy buying up distribution rights for consoles and PCs and then letting the PC rot without access to the game).

I doubt it. Last time i checked for 2k games availability, I think gametap offers some of the older 2k civ games like CiV III worldwide.
region restriction
for example Impulse
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4110/impulsedrivencom2010415.png
Passing.
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lackoo1111: i'm removing it from my wishlist

Won't be buying it either. Very unfortunate as I either own or have owned all civ games, including spin-off's, at some point (Civ I - IV with all expansions (even the test of time thingie), Colonization, Civ IV:Col, Alpha Centauri (no expansion unfortunately), CTP 1&2, MoO 1-3, Galciv 1-2 with all expansions and Master of Magic. Did I remember them all?).
Cool, I will buy this game. I don't have problems with Steamworks, it is way better than GFWL. Good thing is this game is not region restricted for me in Turkey on Steam. But old Civ games are region restricted so I can't buy Civ 4 Complete from Steam. :(