Posted November 22, 2012
Roman5
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mystral
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From Christmas Island
Posted November 22, 2012
Jonni: Can someone point what the actual benefits from leaving the EU would be?
Are the polled people, by any chance, basing their votes on the current financial crisis which should not have a tangible effect on UK economy with its seperate fiscal policy?
jamyskis: People usually derive their opinions from newspapers like the Daily Mail, Daily Express and The Sun, which prints some absolutely ridiculous stories about the EU, usually either entirely fictitious or selective with the truth. It started with this banana story and stories these days are usually about some kind of ban. Are the polled people, by any chance, basing their votes on the current financial crisis which should not have a tangible effect on UK economy with its seperate fiscal policy?
The current scapegoat for the economic crisis in the UK is, of course, the EU, although Britain is not even part of the single currency.
However, the EU has a very bad image in the UK (and in most other European countries I'd guess) because it makes a very handy scapegoat.
I can't speak for other countries, but in France anytime something happens that people don't like, our politicians and "journalists" blame the EU.
And afterwards they act surprised when they find out the EU isn't popular among most people.
ZYZKryten
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Poulscath
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From United Kingdom
Posted November 22, 2012
granny
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From United Kingdom
Posted November 22, 2012
Honestly, I'd just be happy to be given the choice.
The way I see it, if we stay in the EU, we can join other EU citizens in getting fscked over by politicians from all over the place as well as our home grown politicians. If we leave, we can enjoy getting fscked over only by our home grown politicians.
We're getting fscked either way, but at least with the second option, it'll be easier to get to where they live when the revolution comes :-)
The way I see it, if we stay in the EU, we can join other EU citizens in getting fscked over by politicians from all over the place as well as our home grown politicians. If we leave, we can enjoy getting fscked over only by our home grown politicians.
We're getting fscked either way, but at least with the second option, it'll be easier to get to where they live when the revolution comes :-)
wodmarach
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From United Kingdom
Posted November 22, 2012
Roman5: I honestly think that "Gaining Independence" for Scotland will be the equivalent of Suicide, I cannot imagine what exactly Scotland will do without the UK or how it's going to survive
ZYZKryten: Nah the bulk of UK debt belongs to England. Scotland getting independance will free us of most of it and leave us with all North Sea Revunue and the rest for ourselves. The EU is a scapegoat and it's been the dream of the tories since they realised the EU courts could stop some of their more unpopular moves to get out of it. The UK is now better off inside the EU than out and tbh would probably still be better off joining the euro than it is now.
morciu
stay in school
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From Romania
Posted November 22, 2012
Well I don't really know about the rest of Europe but over here the EU kind of pissed all over my basic voting rights a few months ago and they are still humping us like we were some low grade charity case citizens. Mrs Merkel and Mr Barroso can choke on a wurst and rot in hell for all I care. They keep protecting the same assholes that ran this country into the ground (even more than it had already been) and scream that it's the end of democracy if anyone dares to stand up to them.
mystral
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From Christmas Island
Posted November 22, 2012
ZYZKryten: Oil's not the only thing we have and who care's about making a name for ourselves?
We can easily get by without England.
Poulscath: Indeed. Last time I checked we're a net exporter of electricity and we receive less money from the UK government than we pay in, among other things. We can easily get by without England.
Furthermore, there are a lot of expenses associated with becoming independent versus autonomous, like an army, a Foreign office, building embassies, that kind of stuff. For a small country, that takes a lot out of its budget, oil or not.
You also need to take into account the fact that your primary trading partner is the UK, and that if you go independent, you'll likely lose a lot of business there, due to resentment and potential tax duties.
Basically, you CAN pull it off, but it'll be nowhere near as easy as you make it sound, and if your politicians screw up (as politicians always seem to), you'll likely be screwed once the oil reserves dry up.
Elmofongo
It's 2L84U
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From Puerto Rico
Asbeau
shot the food
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From United Kingdom
Posted November 22, 2012
I'd like to see the UK leave the EU, then England leave the UK, then London leave England, then Muswell Hill leave London, and then my street leave Muswell Hill
I could go further and have my family leave my street, but I like some of the people on my street and there are some elderly and ill folks here I don't mind helping out, so I'm happy to be part of my street.
My street wouldn't make me pay for all kinds of shit I don't believe in, nor would it attempt to intervene in the affairs of other nations, and I'd feel like my voice was being heard in a group this size.
So yeah, let's devolve. I'm down with that.
I could go further and have my family leave my street, but I like some of the people on my street and there are some elderly and ill folks here I don't mind helping out, so I'm happy to be part of my street.
My street wouldn't make me pay for all kinds of shit I don't believe in, nor would it attempt to intervene in the affairs of other nations, and I'd feel like my voice was being heard in a group this size.
So yeah, let's devolve. I'm down with that.
Trilarion
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granny
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From United Kingdom
Posted November 22, 2012
granny: We're getting fscked either way, but at least with the second option, it'll be easier to get to where they live when the revolution comes :-)
Elmofongo: Yeah good luck with that revolution even when your government got your people outgunned with, Jets, Special Forces like the SAS, and hell even Nukes. 2) When revolutions come, do you think it's just the civvies that take part?
3) All things being equal, what do you think the odds are of a solider opening fire on a crowd of civvies when his or her mother, father, sister, brother or best friends are in said crowd? I'd like to think 'not that high'
4) If a revolution ever did happen, British society would, at the kick-off point, be so utterly fscked already I doubt we'd have much of a military force. Hell, the army's being cut by 20,000, we've lost our carriers until 2016 at least, they scrapped the fleet air arm...
5) Nukes? Really? ¬_¬
Crosmando
chrono commando
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From Australia
Posted November 22, 2012
According to XE, the Euro is currently worth on average 20% more than the Pound, and double the US Dollar. I sure as heck wouldn't be complaining if the Aussie dollar was worth that much.
Elmofongo
It's 2L84U
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From Puerto Rico
Posted November 22, 2012
Elmofongo: Yeah good luck with that revolution even when your government got your people outgunned with, Jets, Special Forces like the SAS, and hell even Nukes.
granny: 1) It was a joke. Not a great joke, but a joke. 2) When revolutions come, do you think it's just the civvies that take part?
3) All things being equal, what do you think the odds are of a solider opening fire on a crowd of civvies when his or her mother, father, sister, brother or best friends are in said crowd? I'd like to think 'not that high'
4) If a revolution ever did happen, British society would, at the kick-off point, be so utterly fscked already I doubt we'd have much of a military force. Hell, the army's being cut by 20,000, we've lost our carriers until 2016 at least, they scrapped the fleet air arm...
5) Nukes? Really? ¬_¬
tejozaszaszas
Vote Civilization II
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From Spain
Posted November 22, 2012
bansama: I thought the UK hated the EU because they paid in the most and got the least back. That and the stupid banana regulations. Of course, my knowledge of EU hate is dated by a good 12 years or so.
But if I still had a say in UK matters (I don't, my say has timed out), I'd vote to leave the EU in a flash.
That´s false, The UK contribute with much less money than any other country (related with GDP/PCI) since Margaret Thacher´s government.But if I still had a say in UK matters (I don't, my say has timed out), I'd vote to leave the EU in a flash.
Post edited November 22, 2012 by tejozaszaszas