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Posted April 06, 2014
Well, several more hours last night and today and some of the goodness is wearing off.

You can't just "go" anywhere, without battles popping. Even places you've been to a hundred times, just to walk from point A to B is getting old. Then in the dungeons, it's a maze, and not an easy one at that, meaning older folks with memory issues aren't going to fare well, PLUS, if you don't complete it, leave, heal, resupply, and come back, it's exactly like starting all over again because of walking anywhere from A to B creates these random battles.

Jeez, once a place is cleared, it should be cleared.

I'm realizing this one's never going to be finished. And am hesitant to try the others in that pack now, because if they're all like this (and I do seem to remember that being a trait of platform games) then now I really remember why I never really got into many platform games even though my son was a huge fan.
Posted April 06, 2014
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OldFatGuy: Well, several more hours last night and today and some of the goodness is wearing off.

You can't just "go" anywhere, without battles popping. Even places you've been to a hundred times, just to walk from point A to B is getting old. Then in the dungeons, it's a maze, and not an easy one at that, meaning older folks with memory issues aren't going to fare well, PLUS, if you don't complete it, leave, heal, resupply, and come back, it's exactly like starting all over again because of walking anywhere from A to B creates these random battles.

Jeez, once a place is cleared, it should be cleared.

I'm realizing this one's never going to be finished. And am hesitant to try the others in that pack now, because if they're all like this (and I do seem to remember that being a trait of platform games) then now I really remember why I never really got into many platform games even though my son was a huge fan.
I will suggest to you what I also suggested to a friend of mine; ignore II+III and jump straight to IV. It is a much better experience.
Post edited April 06, 2014 by Grargar
Posted April 06, 2014
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OldFatGuy: Well, several more hours last night and today and some of the goodness is wearing off.

You can't just "go" anywhere, without battles popping. Even places you've been to a hundred times, just to walk from point A to B is getting old. Then in the dungeons, it's a maze, and not an easy one at that, meaning older folks with memory issues aren't going to fare well, PLUS, if you don't complete it, leave, heal, resupply, and come back, it's exactly like starting all over again because of walking anywhere from A to B creates these random battles.

Jeez, once a place is cleared, it should be cleared.

I'm realizing this one's never going to be finished. And am hesitant to try the others in that pack now, because if they're all like this (and I do seem to remember that being a trait of platform games) then now I really remember why I never really got into many platform games even though my son was a huge fan.
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Grargar: I will suggest to you what I also suggested to a friend of mine; ignore II+III and jump straight to IV. It is a much better experience.
Okay, I'll definitely try IV. Still not completely decided on ignoring II and III yet, but right now it's a bit of a bad taste. Gonna take a break and come back and see how it feels. If I do drop it completely I will give IV a fair go. Thanks again.
Post edited April 06, 2014 by OldFatGuy
Posted April 06, 2014
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marsrunner: Heck Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI are two of the best examples of JRPG ever created.
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Siannah: There's the problem. JRPG. :P

Again, this is just my opinion but Shining Force had nothing about J in it. It was a fresh take on mixing RPG and strategy / tactics. Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics, Disgaea.... it was an inspiration for classics to come.
Actually, FFT was directly inspired by Tactics Ogre, which was a sort-of-sequel to Ogre Battle, which predates Shining Force IIRC. Those games share many developers. They probably played Shining Force but they didn't need it for inspiration.

As for Disgaea, it's pretty different both in tone and in terms of gameplay.

Shining Force, while great in its own right, was its own take on the tactics-RPG genre, just like fire emblem.
Posted April 06, 2014
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mystral: Actually, FFT was directly inspired by Tactics Ogre, which was a sort-of-sequel to Ogre Battle, which predates Shining Force IIRC. Those games share many developers. They probably played Shining Force but they didn't need it for inspiration.
Release date of Ogre Battle march 93 in Japan, May 95 North America, Shining Force March 92 in Japan, July 93 rest of the world.
Again, I'm not sure it's historical correct nor do I know where SF might have drawn influences from. But for me it pretty much put tactical RPG on the map, as it crossed those genres into a cohesive unit like nothing before.
Posted April 06, 2014
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marsrunner: Can't even come close to agreeing with that.

Breath of Fire
Breath of Fire II
Chrono Trigger
EarthBound
Eye of the Beholder
Final Fantasy II (IV)
Final Fantasy III (VI)
Super Mario RPG
Illusion of Gaia
Secret of Evermore
Secret of Mana

In my opinion, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy VI and Secret of Mana are better than anything that ever came out on the Genesis (and I had both). Heck Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI are two of the best examples of JRPG ever created.

Oh, and nit-pick...Zelda is not an RPG.
Is there any way to buy these titles like I just did for the SEGA titles somewhere to play on my PC? I still have the Nintendo, and SNES (and N64), but they're all a PITA to hook up these days because of how inputs in the TV's are different, plus I don't even own most of those anyway.

There's another thread on here about freeware sites that had a link to one and one of the games was to the original Zelda!!! I was so excited at the thought of playing that old classic again, but the link didn't work, and somehow, knowing Nintendo, I'm betting that was never really freeware anyway.

But I'd pay for them again if it included an emulator like the purchase of these games do. You know if that's possible or are just SEGA games available for PC?
Posted April 06, 2014
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OldFatGuy: Is there any way to buy these titles like I just did for the SEGA titles somewhere to play on my PC?
If I were you I'd just rate the pi. The best unofficial emulators tend to be a lot more functional anyway.
Posted April 06, 2014
Just wanted to leave this here for those who are interested into the Sega Genesis Classics range of games from Dotemu or Steam:
http://aluigi.altervista.org/quickbms.htm
http://aluigi.altervista.org/papers/bms/others/sega_classics.bms

It is the program QuickBMS and a script with it to be able to extract the roms out of the game packages for those games. I personally recommend utilizing that and loading the games in Kega Fusion, which honestly is the best PC Genesis/Mega Drive emulator out there and has a lot more tweaking options compared to the built in emulator for the Genesis Classics games.
Posted April 06, 2014
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StingingVelvet: Something about growing up killed them for me.
Because only kids play JRPGs, right?
Posted April 06, 2014
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OldFatGuy: You can't just "go" anywhere, without battles popping. Even places you've been to a hundred times, just to walk from point A to B is getting old. *snip*
Yep, there's a lot of that... and this is a VERY long game! As for the mazes, I highly recommend the walkthroughs! I actually printed out where to go in the dungeons (aka mazes) so that I wouldn't miss anything!

Still, Phantasy Star II is an RPG standby, and one that I've played through multiple times!
Posted April 06, 2014
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marsrunner: Can't even come close to agreeing with that.

Breath of Fire
Breath of Fire II
Chrono Trigger
EarthBound
Eye of the Beholder
Final Fantasy II (IV)
Final Fantasy III (VI)
Super Mario RPG
Illusion of Gaia
Secret of Evermore
Secret of Mana

In my opinion, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario RPG, Final Fantasy VI and Secret of Mana are better than anything that ever came out on the Genesis (and I had both). Heck Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VI are two of the best examples of JRPG ever created.

Oh, and nit-pick...Zelda is not an RPG.
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OldFatGuy: Is there any way to buy these titles like I just did for the SEGA titles somewhere to play on my PC? I still have the Nintendo, and SNES (and N64), but they're all a PITA to hook up these days because of how inputs in the TV's are different, plus I don't even own most of those anyway.

There's another thread on here about freeware sites that had a link to one and one of the games was to the original Zelda!!! I was so excited at the thought of playing that old classic again, but the link didn't work, and somehow, knowing Nintendo, I'm betting that was never really freeware anyway.

But I'd pay for them again if it included an emulator like the purchase of these games do. You know if that's possible or are just SEGA games available for PC?
Nope. No way to legally play them on PC, or even on the Wii U I don't believe. I still have Chrono Trigger for the DS and Final Fantasy IV V and VI for the GBA, so I am relatively happy with that.
Posted April 06, 2014
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StingingVelvet: I remember liking Shining Force 2 a lot as a kid. Pretty sure that's the only one in that bundle that I have played, since I never owned a Genesis. I borrowed one for a long weekend and played a lot of Shining Force 2 though.

I wish I could still enjoy JRPGs, but I just can't.
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OldFatGuy: Yeah, they are JRPG's, sorry, I probably should've mentioned that since there are some that don't like that genre. I never even knew what it meant until I played Final Fantasy VII on the PC, and then when I see a game that reminds of that combat, I've learned that's what's meant by JRPG.

I like turned based combat a lot, but in the JRPG case it often seems there just aren't as many interesting choices as in other turn based ones, like say Fallout 1 and 2. (which were GREAT games IMO). But I got a lot of enjoyment out of FF7 and am having a blast with these little jewels. I'm playing the oldest one right now, Phantasy Stars 2 (there was no 1 in the bundle, nor available at DotEmu) and it's got some really neat depth to it for an older platform like the Genesis.
Many of them are JRPGs, but Sega tended to make then a little different. For example, Shining Force was really an early tactics game rather than having the JRPG typical combat system, Shining In The Darkness was kind of like Wizardry Light, Fatal Labyrinth is basically Rogue, The Phantasy Stars (II and IV) have a unique system and III is just plain bizarre (play it and you'll see what I mean) and, if you want my advice, don't play Sword of Vermillion if you have anything else you need to do. You will be hooked.

SOV has simplistic combat, but it mixes classic JRPG imagery and overhead view in towns. It goes into 3D in dungeons and outside of towns. You can think if it as Final Fantiablotima with its early Diablo action combat, Ultima views outside of towns and in dungeons, and Final Fantasy type views in cities.
Posted April 07, 2014
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OldFatGuy: Is there any way to buy these titles like I just did for the SEGA titles somewhere to play on my PC? I still have the Nintendo, and SNES (and N64), but they're all a PITA to hook up these days because of how inputs in the TV's are different, plus I don't even own most of those anyway.

There's another thread on here about freeware sites that had a link to one and one of the games was to the original Zelda!!! I was so excited at the thought of playing that old classic again, but the link didn't work, and somehow, knowing Nintendo, I'm betting that was never really freeware anyway.

But I'd pay for them again if it included an emulator like the purchase of these games do. You know if that's possible or are just SEGA games available for PC?
Nintendo has a tight lease on their games, so the answer is no, they are not legally available on the PC. As for the freeware Zelda, it's called Zelda Classic and has nothing to do with Nintendo itself.
Post edited April 07, 2014 by Grargar
Posted April 07, 2014
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StingingVelvet: Something about growing up killed them for me.
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Neobr10: Because only kids play JRPGs, right?
Don't be such a sensitive nancy-pants.
Posted April 07, 2014
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StingingVelvet: Don't be such a sensitive nancy-pants.
I'm legitimately curious to know what growing up has to do with enjoying JRPGs, that's all. But if you want to keep up with the ad hominem, go ahead.
Post edited April 07, 2014 by Neobr10
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