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I am so angry at your whole horrible post that my fingers are shaking so badly I can barely type. I'll be brief.

Fuck you and fuck your patronizing misinformed horseshit.
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PenutBrittle: I am so angry at your whole horrible post that my fingers are shaking so badly I can barely type. I'll be brief.

Fuck you and fuck your patronizing misinformed horseshit.
My post?
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langurmonkey: My post?
The OP.
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Psyringe: I'm sorry for being harsh, but a sentence like "The media has been casting the people who commit suicide as modern day martyrs, placing them on a pedestal of innocence rather than the reality- murderer of a worthless person(themselves)" is, quite simply, completely inexcusable, no matter how much he'll try to explain it away afterwards.

Pointing out that bullying is not the only factor that may drive one into a situation where (s)he sees no way out? That's fine. Criticizing the media for their handling of such cases? By all means. But calling a person who committed suicide a "murderer of a worthless person" is not one, but several steps across the line. It doesn't help that his proposed "solution" consists of idealistic, romanticized, wishful thinking with zero applicability in the case of actual bullying taking place.
Oh, it seems I passed through that part by reading too fast - way too many things wrong in the first paragraphs, I just began skipping some of it. Now I know who the worthless person truly is, thanks for pointing it out.
Post edited October 25, 2012 by Drakhyrr
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langurmonkey: My post?
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PenutBrittle: The OP.
I read a little bit of his post but stopped because it seemed to be just a pile of horseshit. He should win the troll of the year award.
Post edited October 25, 2012 by langurmonkey
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Drakhyrr: I don't think you need to be so harsh with the man... Nonetheless, I agree with you.
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Psyringe: I'm sorry for being harsh, but a sentence like "The media has been casting the people who commit suicide as modern day martyrs, placing them on a pedestal of innocence rather than the reality- murderer of a worthless person(themselves)" is, quite simply, completely inexcusable, no matter how much he'll try to explain it away afterwards.
Good Christ, I didn't even see that.
It's kind of sad - I should be mad, but after years of wading through the sea of stupidity that is The Internet, I have become desensitized to these sort of views.
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Braussie: Bullying has been around for generations. Social, economic, geological, physical, and statuses have been picked on, beat up, tortured, terrorized, murdered, etc. The bullying mentality is a generally disliked attitude through most cultures, though present. As evidence of this, looking at the human history throughout the wars, forming of nations, etc, you cannot help but see bullying in some way or another. In modern times, many of the best selling movies involve the hero either getting vengence from some sort of bully (person, organization, government, etc), and rising up to beat them (ie: Rocky movies).

There's been a recent trend in media that's shifted focus on "bullying". There are new laws in place in different countries to try to limit and control bullying. Many of the victims of these malicious attempts have made international headlines, local newspapers, and flooded social media. Everyone's heard this new "Anti-bullying" mentality.

But is this "Anti-bully" campaign really doing any good? Or does it simply change which side contains the bullies? Has it encouraged a healthy mentality, or forced us deeper down the rabbit hole of negativity?

When a group of victims to bullying rise up and band together, it can bring a sense of unitedness... a goal to eliminate an unjust action. But more often, this brings up more anger and hatred within those victims. Soon, they turn to retribution against the bullies, perhaps even bringing actions that surpass the original offense.

On the side of the victims, many have responded by taking a different path. Suicide. My heart goes out to the families and friends of those that commit suicide. It is never an easy thing to handle, nor will it be. But to be honest, there is a line that crossed. Suicide, by definition, is the intentional taking of one's own life. No amount of bullying can cause suicide. It will always be the choice of the person committing it- otherwise it'd be called murder. Suicide only harms those that care about the person.

The media has been casting the people who commit suicide as modern day martyrs, placing them on a pedestal of innocence rather than the reality- murderer of a worthless person(themselves). Now, before you get mad at this comment and quote it out of context, please let me explain.

The issue is not about bullying. It's not about suicide. It's not even about the injustice inflicted an people throughout the world.

It's about placing value in yourself and others.

If we put value in each other- make an effort to tell those we care about, think about, know and love- and show them that worth, it would change everything. In most cases, it would keep the someone from committing suicide. They would feel their worth, and realize the pain they cause their family and friends by committing suicide. Bullies would love instead of hate. Nothing would take the value away from the person. Nobody would be "worthless".

"Anti-bullying" is trying cure a symptom, not the cause

It’s our choice. Chose to teach our children to love, to build in others rather than destroy. Give the future generations worth. Help them to know that others have worth as well.

End of rant.
You have never experienced bullying have you? If you had, you would know that everything you have just said is absolute and total bullshit. Bullies would love instead of hate? what garbage bin did you pull that from???

You have no idea what it is like to be bullied at school. To have a gang of 20+ people surround you and throw stones at you, kick you till you pass out, beat you till you pour with blood.

What you seem to forget is that most people suffer in silence, and have no idea who to turn to. Perhaps they are bullied at home as well as school. You do not know. The point is, you have no conceivable idea what it is like to be a victim of bullying, so do not talk to me about anti-bullying you sanctimonious asshole.

As for the suicide garbage, you really know how to twist the knife in with that little garbage rant of yours dont you? I am honestly not sure if you are some kind of troll out to get a reaction or if you are actually serious. If you are serious, you really need to see a psychiatrist stat. You have serious issues. If you are a troll, jog on.
lolwut

congratulations on making one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen on this site.
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Psyringe: snip.
I just want to clarify something, a point that several missed.

The part "worthless person(themselves)" was explained later. I appearently didn't explain it in a way that people read. The worth was defined by THEMSELVES, not by me. They had no self-worth, ie: didn't see enough value in themselves to stay alive. My additional comments saying that we need to put value in others, let them know they are valuable,etc was something I thought would've made that more clear. My sincere appologies to any who read it as anything else. It was not my intent.

As some have wondered, I will answer:

Have I been bullied? Yes. 7 years of nonstop things. Many ruined relationships, rumors, hurt feelings, even involvement with law enforcement to stop it, etc.

Have I known anyone who's committed suicide? Yes- 2, one of which was a friend I saw, talked with, and had class with every day. Hung himself. People picked on him because he strived to do well in school and looked like "minkus" from boy meets world. Pretty stupid reason, don't you think?

Have I contemplated suicide? Yes- during the time of being bullied. I know the pain to the level of my experiences. I struggled with depression from it, got into self mutilation that nobody knew about.

Why didn't I commit suicide? Because of worth. There were people I cared about who would be sad for me to go even though I thought I was worthless. Sometimes the people who cared were my parents. Other times it was just one close friend. "Suicide would hurt them" I had to keep reminding myself. Suicide also wouldn't stop the bullying- people either move on to the next target, or they say "see! just like we said" stuff. I don't think even half of the people that bullied my friend that committed suicide from it even felt any remorse for it.

Why did I post what I did? So people would stop and think. There's more to every story. I've been sick of the media blaming other people for choices we individually make. You may not agree with me, though we both agree that bullying should stop. You may hate me. And I'm sorry if you do. I wish you absolutely nothing but a great life. It was not meant as hate towards anyone- simply frustration at media, and the headlines I've read that have glorified the suicides (maybe the media around me is different than around you).

May you all be blessed.
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Braussie: No amount of bullying can cause suicide. It will always be the choice of the person committing it- otherwise it'd be called murder. Suicide only harms those that care about the person.
I highly doubt you have been bullied in the past.
Having Anti-Bullying Law means that there will be a 'Law' to follow, the bullies to be punished and the bullied get protected. Having it scrap means they will get no protection against the bullies.
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Psyringe: snip.
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Braussie: I just want to clarify something, a point that several missed.

The part "worthless person(themselves)" was explained later. I appearently didn't explain it in a way that people read. The worth was defined by THEMSELVES, not by me. They had no self-worth, ie: didn't see enough value in themselves to stay alive. My additional comments saying that we need to put value in others, let them know they are valuable,etc was something I thought would've made that more clear. My sincere appologies to any who read it as anything else. It was not my intent.
I actually didn't miss the meaning you intended. I was aware that you _could_ have meant "murderer of someone who they themselves deemed worthless". However - and that's something you apparently still fail to understand - this still constitutes a statement that is offensively clueless and carelessly written at best, and detestably inhumane at worst.

Your apologies are noted, but, at least in my case, come to late. Sorry. When I wrote that I found your statement "inexcusable", I meant exactly that. I see no way how you could redeem yourself in my eyes after writing this post. Sorry.

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Braussie: Have I been bullied? Yes. 7 years of nonstop things. Many ruined relationships, rumors, hurt feelings, even involvement with law enforcement to stop it, etc.
I don't believe you, sorry.

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Braussie: Why did I post what I did? So people would stop and think. There's more to every story. I've been sick of the media blaming other people for choices we individually make. You may not agree with me, though we both agree that bullying should stop. You may hate me. And I'm sorry if you do. I wish you absolutely nothing but a great life. It was not meant as hate towards anyone- simply frustration at media, and the headlines I've read that have glorified the suicides (maybe the media around me is different than around you).
You made your point. Please go now.

At this point, there are basically two possibilities. Either you are a troll, as some people have suspected. Or you are someone with an incredibly clueless, romanticized, idealistic, and unfortunately mostly useless perspective on a very sensitive topic, which you chose to bring across in an extremely offensive way. No matter which of the two possibilities is true, none of them make me want to talk to you.
Post edited October 25, 2012 by Psyringe
OP, approaching something as delicate as suicide with that sort of carelessness is not acceptable at all.
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CymTyr: You kind of lost me for a moment at the beginning, and then I read the whole thing and heartedly agree. We need to foster a sense of self worth in these kids so they can fight the bullies without our help (or the assistance of illegal firearms, for that matter).
This.