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They should turn the incineration into a big public event where each participant receives a white robe and a cool armband - maybe red with a white spot to symbolize the innocence being devoured by violence - and maybe a cross inside that symbolizes christian values.
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Talby: You can pry them from my cold, dead hands.
Lol, this made my day. :D
Post edited January 04, 2013 by F4LL0UT
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iippo: Anyway, I think it should be pretty damn obvious that free, proper health care would be good for everyone - even to those who "dont need it". I mean, think about all the people who have mental problems and cant get them treated - you wouldnt want to live next to untreated schizoprenic or seriously lunatic manic-depressionist person would you?

Similarly there are lot of people who cannot work because the ill one way or the other, but COULD if they just got themselves treated - be it physical or mental.
Not only that - once medical care is free, people should seriously be paid to have regular check-ups, because it saves money.
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iippo: Heck - if nothing else it would be even in the super rich people's best interest to offer as much free health care services as they could. You wouldnt want to live in a sick society would you?
Unfortunately, the super-rich overwhelmingly do not want to be even richer in objective terms, they want to be richer than you.
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Starmaker: Unfortunately, the super-rich overwhelmingly do not want to be even richer in objective terms, they want to be richer than you.
Money is such stupid, distractive invention. It should be mere tool, but people make it their life goal and god.

At times i think it would have been better, if our ancestors had just stopped right after they invented the fire.
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iippo: Money is such stupid, distractive invention. It should be mere tool, but people make it their life goal and god.
Without money something else would serve the exact same purpose and people would long for something different that gives them the same kind of power that money gives them now.
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iippo: http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/2/3828182/connecticut-town-holds-drive-to-collect-and-destroy-violent-video

well. If I happened to live in USA, suppose this would be good chance to get rid of the last of my room space hogging physical game boxes and discs + profit :)

But about saving the world part - I wonder when they get free health and mental care in the states? I dont claim to real understand they healthcare system, but ive understood that pretty much "no-no" unless you got the money yourself.
Topic subject should be renamed to destroy world by being retarded.
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Gunsang: I can't understand why they keep pointing their fingers so much at video games. We have violent movies, tv shows, comic books, as well as very lax gun control laws and a failing mental health system, but in their eyes it's only video games that are the problem. Doesn't seem to make sense to me.
It's actually stated that they are destroying violent movies and music as well. If you brought in a violent book, I doubt they turn that away.
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iippo: At times i think it would have been better, if our ancestors had just stopped right after they invented the fire.
They probably should have stopped before that. Fires can cause serious problems.
Post edited January 04, 2013 by Soyeong
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iippo: Money is such stupid, distractive invention. It should be mere tool, but people make it their life goal and god.
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F4LL0UT: Without money something else would serve the exact same purpose and people would long for something different that gives them the same kind of power that money gives them now.
And just what is the point of that? Are we humans really so pathetic, that we need to have something material, that is bigger than what our neighbour has to "feel good"? This is something ive never quite understood - where does that need show off come from? What purpose does it serve? Why would anyone want to feel superior to someone else in the first place? To make us feel less insecure about ourselves as "someone else is worse off"?

The worst thing about money is that it turns people in to numbers and statistics. Lets us do some pretty inhumane decisions as, well numbers arent real people ofcourse.

Think about politics, wars, accidents and everything else can be given a price tag - and then comfortably forget that what kind of human tragedy is behind it.

I suppose its human to want to try to control everything and certainly money gives an illusion of it.

And yes, I am probably a naive person at times.
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iippo: And just what is the point of that? Are we humans really so pathetic, that we need to have something material, that is bigger than what our neighbour has to "feel good"? This is something ive never quite understood - where does that need show off come from?
You know, ambition, thriving for success, respect and power, dominating others, having the most attractive partners etc. is undoubtedly a natural instinct, to some degree necessary for an individual, race or society to survive. Animals (and primitive people) do it directly through acts of violence or marking your territory (thank God few people do that by urinating), more "civilized" societies do it through substitutes of different sorts like luxuries, political power etc.. Your perspective is influenced by certain ethical values which are far more abstract than these behavioral patterns.

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iippo: The worst thing about money is that it turns people in to numbers and statistics.
No, large concentrations of people do this as it is the case with anything that reaches high amounts. You can't treat every person as an individual when you have to indirectly interact with hundreds, thousands or even millions of them. It's pretty much the same for any system where something has to be categorized and handled in large numbers.

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Soyeong: They probably should have stopped before that. Fires can cause serious problems.
Be more grateful. Imagine mankind wouldn't have ever learned the basic behaviour of fire and all our ancestors would have died in a natural forest fire or even jumped into a volcano. :P
Post edited January 04, 2013 by F4LL0UT
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iippo: The worst thing about money is that it turns people in to numbers and statistics.
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F4LL0UT: No, large concentrations of people do this as it is the case with anything that reaches high amounts. You can't treat every person as an individual when you have to indirectly interact with hundreds, thousands or even millions of them. It's pretty much the same for any system where something has to be categorized and handled in large numbers.
When money and ideals conflict, guess which one wins?

What i mean, is that i agree about that "you cant treat a million people as individual persons" - but in my eyes we are losing the meaning of society. The meaning of individuals in that society. We are losing the idealism, the perhaps naive belief of some greater meaning in our society than just "money".

Extreme example: Although I dont really approve extreme religious ideas, in a certain way I can respect the the extreme stubborness those people cling to their believes no matter what, no matter the cost. Guess you could call it the pinnacle of standing for what you believe in.

The more i think about our western society, the less i think it stands for pretty much anything at all these days. Except maybe debts. If you make the mistake of listening to politicians, all they talk about is saving money, cutting benefits, rising taxes, rising retirement age and so on.

To all this is starting to sound increasingly hollow and meaningless existence. I think my life has pretty much more meaning that simply paying maxium amount of taxes for as many years of my life as possible.

--- Id also like to say few words about how I think people are losing their ability to be (positivily) proud about anything bigger than themselves and showing any sort of respect to these things....but its pretty late atm, maybe later if i have time.

ps its just that as i have asian wife and over the years I have compared her and my own cultures together quite often - and am thinking that we are losing on everything that has to do with "community" and kind of social "We-spirit". I am feeling more and more sort of advanced caveman.
Ah, but this is an interesting paradox since this world is also a video game....is it not?
Post edited January 04, 2013 by Lionel212008
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iippo: Money is such stupid, distractive invention. It should be mere tool, but people make it their life goal and god.
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F4LL0UT: Without money something else would serve the exact same purpose and people would long for something different that gives them the same kind of power that money gives them now.
Without money you would probably go back to bartering which tends to discourage people from amassing so much wealth that they can't afford to spend it all.

I don't think the result would be pretty though as you'd have to pay on delivery and that person would have to use whatever in the near term or know somebody else who would.
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F4LL0UT: Without money something else would serve the exact same purpose and people would long for something different that gives them the same kind of power that money gives them now.
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iippo: And just what is the point of that? Are we humans really so pathetic, that we need to have something material, that is bigger than what our neighbour has to "feel good"? This is something ive never quite understood - where does that need show off come from? What purpose does it serve? Why would anyone want to feel superior to someone else in the first place? To make us feel less insecure about ourselves as "someone else is worse off"?

The worst thing about money is that it turns people in to numbers and statistics. Lets us do some pretty inhumane decisions as, well numbers arent real people ofcourse.

Think about politics, wars, accidents and everything else can be given a price tag - and then comfortably forget that what kind of human tragedy is behind it.

I suppose its human to want to try to control everything and certainly money gives an illusion of it.

And yes, I am probably a naive person at times.
Search, "the way of the wizard", even if you agree or disagree, nonetheless, it makes you think.
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Lionel212008: Ah, but this is an interesting paradox since this world is also a video game....is it not?
Duh, open sandbox games are way less entertaining than games with proper solid plot ;)
I don't understand the fuss. I would gladly give my old game copies that are not worth a dime for 25 bucks each.

Nobody's forced to do anything, so why reposting this link again like it was something worth noticing?
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F4LL0UT: Without money something else would serve the exact same purpose and people would long for something different that gives them the same kind of power that money gives them now.
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hedwards: Without money you would probably go back to bartering which tends to discourage people from amassing so much wealth that they can't afford to spend it all.
I once wrote on a certain forum as a bit of provo, that had the people there thought what if inheritance would be abolished or atleast seriously limited - but ofcourse the local über capitalist didnt take it kindly ;)

Anyway, I wonder if such thing could change people's lives focus on something else than just amassing wealth for sake of amassing more wealth? Its interesting thought experiement no matter what.

The funny thing the biggest money-mongers tend to forget everytime, is that money isnt a force of nature. Sure these days its effects tend to be bigger than some of nature's forces....but money is ultimately only agreement. When the agreement is lost, so is its worth.