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Posted July 07, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382.313: And this adhoc stuff is frustrating me also. Guess I'll just have to wait until I buy the router.
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rtcvb32: You can always do what I did as a child... Unplug the Ethernet from the computer, plug it into the PS3 and play it that way, or play PS3 offline and single-player only... Alternating them may be a bit of a pain but it will work if you don't need them to talk to eachother...
Yeah I've been doing that, it's getting annoying as I'd like to have both connected again. Especially just I just got this ps3 and have stuff from my account i want to redowload.
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l0rdtr3k: And this is the fastest thread derailing that I've seen here.
And pimpmonkey,have you tried switching your router on and off?
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Licurg: That sounds a lot more fun than what I did with yours...
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l0rdtr3k:
Yep, been doing that for a while.
Post edited July 07, 2014 by pimpmonkey2382.313
Posted July 07, 2014
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HijacK: :/ Well , friction produces heat, which is energy.
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rtcvb32: Off the wall logic or stuff that doesn't do well with electronics. Seems like a good idea to introduce everyone to: Rinkworks Computer Stupidities. There's enough material there to keep you occupied for days laughing and crying, some of it on hardware abuse, like a someone who called tech support wanting support and hardware replacements for his computer after he poured hot butter into his floppy drive and pliers to get a disk out... (yes that's one of them).
It was just a joke, duh! But I'll check the link. :D
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HijacK: :/
Well , friction produces heat, which is energy. So if you stopped and it went dead, the only solution is to plug it in an outlet to give it energy again. :D
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pimpmonkey2382.313: And this adhoc stuff is frustrating me also. Guess I'll just have to wait until I buy the router.
Maybe it overheated because of you. >.>
Post edited July 07, 2014 by HijacK
Posted July 07, 2014
Then there's no way I can help you.
Also, has anyone seen the E3 trailer for Metal Gear Solid 5? That shit was awesome.
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rtcvb32: You can always do what I did as a child... Unplug the Ethernet from the computer, plug it into the PS3 and play it that way, or play PS3 offline and single-player only... Alternating them may be a bit of a pain but it will work if you don't need them to talk to eachother...
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Yeah I've been doing that, it's getting annoying as I'd like to have both connected again. Especially just I just got this ps3 and have stuff from my account i want to redowload.
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l0rdtr3k: And this is the fastest thread derailing that I've seen here.
And pimpmonkey,have you tried switching your router on and off?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Yep, been doing that for a while.
Posted July 07, 2014
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rtcvb32: Off the wall logic or stuff that doesn't do well with electronics. Seems like a good idea to introduce everyone to: Rinkworks Computer Stupidities. There's enough material there to keep you occupied for days laughing and crying, some of it on hardware abuse, like a someone who called tech support wanting support and hardware replacements for his computer after he poured hot butter into his floppy drive and pliers to get a disk out... (yes that's one of them).
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HijacK: It was just a joke, duh! But I'll check the link. :D
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pimpmonkey2382.313: And this adhoc stuff is frustrating me also. Guess I'll just have to wait until I buy the router.
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HijacK: Maybe it overheated because of you. >.>
Probably. lol
Posted July 07, 2014
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rtcvb32: Off the wall logic or stuff that doesn't do well with electronics. Seems like a good idea to introduce everyone to: Rinkworks Computer Stupidities. There's enough material there to keep you occupied for days laughing and crying, some of it on hardware abuse, like a someone who called tech support wanting support and hardware replacements for his computer after he poured hot butter into his floppy drive and pliers to get a disk out... (yes that's one of them).
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pimpmonkey2382.313: ......hot...butter....what? LOL
Under Nice try <- search for butter, then read the whole entry :)
Posted July 07, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382.313: ......hot...butter....what? LOL
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rtcvb32: Under Nice try <- search for butter, then read the whole entry :)
I absolutely love stories like that, always makes my day.
Posted July 07, 2014
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rtcvb32: Had to look it up. Crossover cable (for ethernet), and that's wrong, they are needed if you want to connect one device directly to another device without using a hub or something in between. The networking between the two usually uses static IP's and bypass the need for anything more complex, but DHCP is just so convenient.

As for the hub, I have a 10Mbit hub connected to my gaming rig. Network transfer limits to 1Meg a second, but my internet is 200k/sec so that's fine. It also lets me have the PS3 and the rig plugged in at the same time, although only one of them is in use at that time.

As for your present.... NNNOOOOO!!!! I hate coax cables... :P
Crossover cables were only used with 10Mbit and 100Mbit networks and only then for networks that had hardware that did not autodetect the cable or did not have a switch to toggle the wiring of the port internally in the device. Most even half decent switches/hubs had a push button on them to toggle the wiring of one of the ports for ganging multiple switches together rather than having to use a crossover cable between them - just as a convenience. But all but the most ancient network cards can autodetect whether you have a straight or crossover cable plugged into them and adjust themselves accordingly without having to have a specific cable. In other words, crossover cables are not needed with any remotely modern 100Mbit hardware either due to autodetection of the cable or due to the switch present on the hub/switch.

With gigabit networking - there is no need for a crosslink cable at all because while the standards document it, all gigabit hardware has the autodetection functionality making use of crossover cables obsolete.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable
"Owing to the inclusion of Auto MDI-X capability, modern implementations of the Ethernet over twisted pair standards usually no longer require the use of crossover cables."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable#Automatic_crossover
"Although Auto MDI-X was specified as an optional feature in the 1000BASE-T standard,[2] in practice it is implemented widely on most interfaces."

Note in the article that this functionality has been available since 1998, roughly 16 years. The last time I personally had to use a crossover cable with anything was about 2001 or 2002 before I upgraded my network hardware to what was modern at the time - all of which had the automatic detection built in. I've never looked back.

I do have a box in my basement with about 8 CAT-5 crossover cables in it if anyone needs one. They're 12+ years old since I haven't needed one in that length of time so I don't know if they work or not but I'll leave them in a bag on the porch if anyone needs one. :)
Post edited July 07, 2014 by skeletonbow
Posted July 07, 2014
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skeletonbow: Crossover cables were only used with 10Mbit and 100Mbit networks and only then for networks that had hardware that did not autodetect the cable or did not have a switch to toggle the wiring of the port internally in the device. Most even half decent switches/hubs had a push button on them to toggle the wiring of one of the ports for ganging multiple switches together rather than having to use a crossover cable between them - just as a convenience. But all but the most ancient network cards can autodetect whether you have a straight or crossover cable plugged into them and adjust themselves accordingly without having to have a specific cable. In other words, crossover cables are not needed with any remotely modern 100Mbit hardware either due to autodetection of the cable or due to the switch present on the hub/switch.

With gigabit networking - there is no need for a crosslink cable at all because while the standards document it, all gigabit hardware has the autodetection functionality making use of crossover cables obsolete.
Interesting, means I'm quite behind on the times of reading this, I usually make my own cables... and I don't think any of my network stuff exceeds 100MBit.

But I wonder if non-network cards (integrated) do detection too or not? I'm thinking the Xbox, 360, PS3, gamecube, etc. Still just because the technology is there doesn't mean all of them do it, especially lower end cards where they are more likely to cut corners...

Meh, I still have hardware laying in the back from 2000 that I can make a old computer from, so it's still relevant (although not by much since I have other hubs and routers on hand)
Post edited July 07, 2014 by rtcvb32
Posted July 07, 2014
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skeletonbow: Crossover cables were only used with 10Mbit and 100Mbit networks and only then for networks that had hardware that did not autodetect the cable or did not have a switch to toggle the wiring of the port internally in the device. Most even half decent switches/hubs had a push button on them to toggle the wiring of one of the ports for ganging multiple switches together rather than having to use a crossover cable between them - just as a convenience. But all but the most ancient network cards can autodetect whether you have a straight or crossover cable plugged into them and adjust themselves accordingly without having to have a specific cable. In other words, crossover cables are not needed with any remotely modern 100Mbit hardware either due to autodetection of the cable or due to the switch present on the hub/switch.

With gigabit networking - there is no need for a crosslink cable at all because while the standards document it, all gigabit hardware has the autodetection functionality making use of crossover cables obsolete.
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rtcvb32: Interesting, means I'm quite behind on the times of reading this, I usually make my own cables... and I don't think any of my network stuff exceeds 100MBit.

But I wonder if non-network cards (integrated) do detection too or not? I'm thinking the Xbox, 360, PS3, gamecube, etc. Still just because the technology is there doesn't mean all of them do it, especially lower end cards where they are more likely to cut corners...

Meh, I still have hardware laying in the back from 2000 that I can make a old computer from, so it's still relevant (although not by much since I have other hubs and routers on hand)
I have a shit ton of old computer parts lying around here also, probably enough for like 3 or 4 machines if I wanted to have them.
Posted July 07, 2014
these guys should be able to help you out
Posted July 07, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382.313: I have a shit ton of old computer parts lying around here also, probably enough for like 3 or 4 machines if I wanted to have them.
Ditto, my previous system which is 10 years old would still be enough for me overall (was an ABS barebones system), although not having multi-cores would be missed... Then again my gaming rig is more powerful than this system...

Just cause new technology comes out doesn't mean you need the newest and greatest, only as good as your circumstances need it to be. I'd be happy with a Raspberry Pi except it won't run any games (being ARM architecture).
Posted July 07, 2014
Try this?

http://virtualrouter.codeplex.com/

Helps you set up your system to share its internet via wireless. Hope it helps. If not it's free so no loss, just uninstall.
Posted July 07, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382.313: I have a shit ton of old computer parts lying around here also, probably enough for like 3 or 4 machines if I wanted to have them.
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rtcvb32: Ditto, my previous system which is 10 years old would still be enough for me overall (was an ABS barebones system), although not having multi-cores would be missed... Then again my gaming rig is more powerful than this system...

Just cause new technology comes out doesn't mean you need the newest and greatest, only as good as your circumstances need it to be. I'd be happy with a Raspberry Pi except it won't run any games (being ARM architecture).
Actually thought about making one a win 9.x machine as I still have legit copies of the OS, etc. And just make an old build for old games. I have a shit ton of computer parts...just nothing networking rofl..
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FoxbodyMustang: Try this?

http://virtualrouter.codeplex.com/

Helps you set up your system to share its internet via wireless. Hope it helps. If not it's free so no loss, just uninstall.
Wouldn't install either, but thank you anyway man. :)
Post edited July 07, 2014 by pimpmonkey2382.313
Posted July 07, 2014
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rtcvb32: Ditto, my previous system which is 10 years old would still be enough for me overall (was an ABS barebones system), although not having multi-cores would be missed... Then again my gaming rig is more powerful than this system...

Just cause new technology comes out doesn't mean you need the newest and greatest, only as good as your circumstances need it to be. I'd be happy with a Raspberry Pi except it won't run any games (being ARM architecture).
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Actually thought about making one a win 9.x machine as I still have legit copies of the OS, etc. And just make an old build for old games. I have a shit ton of computer parts...just nothing networking rofl..
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FoxbodyMustang: Try this?

http://virtualrouter.codeplex.com/

Helps you set up your system to share its internet via wireless. Hope it helps. If not it's free so no loss, just uninstall.
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Wouldn't install either, but thank you anyway man. :)
Strange, I guess my first question should have been what OS are you running? It installs and works perfectly on my Win7 and 8. Didn't you have some other problems not too long ago with your PC? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Posted July 07, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Actually thought about making one a win 9.x machine as I still have legit copies of the OS, etc. And just make an old build for old games. I have a shit ton of computer parts...just nothing networking rofl..

Wouldn't install either, but thank you anyway man. :)
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FoxbodyMustang: Strange, I guess my first question should have been what OS are you running? It installs and works perfectly on my Win7 and 8. Didn't you have some other problems not too long ago with your PC? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Vista unfortunately. Nope, had to be someone else, never sought advice on here before.
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