It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
avatar
HGiles: I can't tell if you're joking or not. Are you joking?
Every single one of those statements have come out of the republican party core during the past few months. I'm not joking. Google "legitimate rape" and see what a medieval view of women these people attribute themselves.

It's sickening.
avatar
stonebro: If Romney gets elected, the whole world is in danger.
Its not Romney, it's the GOP. Listen to some of the stuff he said ten years ago. He was basically a whole different person back then.
The GOP has been taken over by the authoritarians.

A large proportion of americans seem to be happy losing their rights (in the workplace, to justice etc) and tbe urned into serfs so long as they get to see others being gruesomely punished.

They're the kind of people you see who post like this every time:

The dems are just the same.
Obama messiah... blah blah utopian.
Folksy aphorism or quotation.
avatar
clawhook: Just a little FYI right back at you. The Dems led by Harry Reid did not even put up a budget for vote! How could Republicans block something that never even came up for vote???
Please don't comment on politics if you know nothing about it. It just encourages idiots to think that their opinion is in some way valid.

Reid can't bring anything for a vote until there's a successful vote to end debate. Which requires at least 60 votes to break a filibuster. If they don't break the filibuster then they can't hold a vote and hence it's never going to be up for a vote.

EDIT: Since you're American, please don't vote if you don't understand this aspect of the political system. It's not that complicated and should have been covered in secondary school. It embarrasses me whenever my fellow countrymen make these sorts of moronic claims.
avatar
rahal: The GOP has been taken over by the authoritarians.

A large proportion of americans seem to be happy losing their rights (in the workplace, to justice etc) and tbe urned into serfs so long as they get to see others being gruesomely punished.

They're the kind of people you see who post like this every time:

The dems are just the same.
Obama messiah... blah blah utopian.
Folksy aphorism or quotation.
If enough people demand a top two primary system and a non-partisan or bipartisan districting commission when district lines are drawn. Things would change. Better still bar candidates from using money to campaign that isn't provided by the government.

If they do that, then the system would change very quickly. My home state does the first 2 things and the more moderate candidate has won every single D-D and R-R election we've had as the opposition supporters can have a meaningful say in the final result.
Post edited September 01, 2012 by hedwards
avatar
hedwards: Please don't comment on politics if you know nothing about it. It just encourages idiots to think that their opinion is in some way valid.

Reid can't bring anything for a vote until there's a successful vote to end debate. Which requires at least 60 votes to break a filibuster. If they don't break the filibuster then they can't hold a vote and hence it's never going to be up for a vote.
Whoa, calm down there buddy. You need to learn how our government works before looking like a dumbass yourself. Budgets are policy; not appropriations bills or bills that specifically enumerate spending. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not so much as proposing a budget plan. Even the left-leaning politifact rates the "No budget from dems in 1000 days" statements totally true. Democrats are on record as saying they are avoiding budgets so they will not be labeled "big spenders."

Also, in response to the OP, I thought the speech was pretty good. I see a lot of miseducated people quoting some terrible sources to support their points. Barack Obama has been a dismal failure and it's time for America to get back to what made us great to begin with. Besides, these days the Democratic party has become so racist and so extreme that I cannot even read an op-ed from a dem without getting a headache. I was a registered dem only 4.5 years ago! Man have times changed.
Post edited September 02, 2012 by tangledblue11
avatar
hedwards: Please don't comment on politics if you know nothing about it. It just encourages idiots to think that their opinion is in some way valid.

Reid can't bring anything for a vote until there's a successful vote to end debate. Which requires at least 60 votes to break a filibuster. If they don't break the filibuster then they can't hold a vote and hence it's never going to be up for a vote.
avatar
tangledblue11: Whoa, calm down there buddy. You need to learn how our government works before looking like a dumbass yourself. Budgets are policy; not appropriations bills or bills that specifically enumerate spending. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not so much as proposing a budget plan. Even the left-leaning politifact rates the "No budget from dems in 1000 days" statements totally true. Democrats are on record as saying they are avoiding budgets so they will not be labeled "big spenders."

Also, in response to the OP, I thought the speech was pretty good. I see a lot of miseducated people quoting some terrible sources to support their points. Barack Obama has been a dismal failure and it's time for America to get back to what made us great to begin with. Besides, these days the Democratic party has become so racist and so extreme that I cannot even read an op-ed from a dem without getting a headache. I was a registered dem only 4.5 years ago! Man have times changed.
............ I'm 23. I'm about as old as you are if you've been registered 4.5 years. When the hell in that time frame would you know a point where "America was great" and not just a perspective you saw through your family and childhood eyes? Because I didn't think into politics until I was 12, that's around when George Bush was in Office, and I was too little to be allowed to comment at all during the Clinton presidency.
avatar
hedwards: Please don't comment on politics if you know nothing about it. It just encourages idiots to think that their opinion is in some way valid.

Reid can't bring anything for a vote until there's a successful vote to end debate. Which requires at least 60 votes to break a filibuster. If they don't break the filibuster then they can't hold a vote and hence it's never going to be up for a vote.
avatar
tangledblue11: Whoa, calm down there buddy. You need to learn how our government works before looking like a dumbass yourself. Budgets are policy; not appropriations bills or bills that specifically enumerate spending. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not so much as proposing a budget plan. Even the left-leaning politifact rates the "No budget from dems in 1000 days" statements totally true. Democrats are on record as saying they are avoiding budgets so they will not be labeled "big spenders."

Also, in response to the OP, I thought the speech was pretty good. I see a lot of miseducated people quoting some terrible sources to support their points. Barack Obama has been a dismal failure and it's time for America to get back to what made us great to begin with. Besides, these days the Democratic party has become so racist and so extreme that I cannot even read an op-ed from a dem without getting a headache. I was a registered dem only 4.5 years ago! Man have times changed.
And your point is? Nothing in your post addresses what I or the previous poster said. Sure Harry Reid can propose something, but he can't bring it to a vote without 60+ votes to break the filibuster. Which is what the previous poster was ignorant of. Without the ability to bring cloture to the debate, there is no vote.

Do you really think that Sen. Reid would refuse to offer up a budget if he thought there was any chance of getting it past the GOP? What's more, not only does he have to get his chamber on board enough to get the votes, that something has to match up with the House version.

You can blame him for not providing a budget, but when all is said and done, I'm not sure that there's any real point in him proposing something just to propose it. The GOP lately won't accept anything that raises taxes and the Democrats won't accept anything that cuts certain portions of the budget.

Proposals for the sake of proposals are downright silly IMHO. The GOP has shown itself to be more willing to bankrupt the US than to compromise. What's the point of proposing a budget that's just going to get shot down by a bunch of antigovernment politicians? Doesn't make it right, but by the same token, it's completely understandable.

By refusing to offer up a budget they at least don't have it thrown in their faces for having to cover all the costs of running the government. And don't laugh, the GOP is pleased as punch to pretend like President Obama is the owner of the national debt, rather than just the section that was tacked on after he came to office. Or more appropriately the Federal government in general.

Yes, it sucks, but you can't negotiate with less than two parties, it just doesn't work.
avatar
QC: ............ I'm 23. I'm about as old as you are if you've been registered 4.5 years. When the hell in that time frame would you know a point where "America was great" and not just a perspective you saw through your family and childhood eyes? Because I didn't think into politics until I was 12, that's around when George Bush was in Office, and I was too little to be allowed to comment at all during the Clinton presidency.
I'm almost 32 and I can barely remember that. It seems that sometime in the '80s or early '90s the US lost it's greatness. I think it happened during the unconstitutional impeachment of President Clinton or really during the investigation of Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.
Post edited September 02, 2012 by hedwards
avatar
hedwards: I think it happened during the unconstitutional impeachment of President Clinton or really during the investigation of Monica Lewinsky's blue dress.
unconstitutional?
avatar
tangledblue11: Barack Obama has been a dismal failure and it's time for America to get back to what made us great to begin with. Besides, these days the Democratic party has become so racist and so extreme that I cannot even read an op-ed from a dem without getting a headache. I was a registered dem only 4.5 years ago! Man have times changed.
And when the fuck was America last great? The fifties?

Democrats are racist? I'm SORRY? Coming from the side who had followers throw peanuts at a black CNN reporter during their convention, shouting "this is how we feed animals"?

Go fuck yourself with a rake.
avatar
stonebro: And when the fuck was America last great? The fifties?

Democrats are racist? I'm SORRY? Coming from the side who had followers throw peanuts at a black CNN reporter during their convention, shouting "this is how we feed animals"?

Go fuck yourself with a rake.
Son you wouldn't know greatness if it America shot a tube of it down from space (because Norway can't go to space) and bounced it off your face. Last I checked America still #1 little bro. Biggest economy, strongest nation, the only western nation that is worth even mentioning these days. Stay small and stay mad. Oh and nice job representing yourself and your country. Sounds like you're as bigoted, rude and extreme as Democrats.

@hedwards: your entire post can be summarily dismissed by the following- nobody gives a fuck what excuse Democrats use to shirk their responsibilities. They don't put forward a plan because they don't want to be tied to ANY hard and fast agenda. They want to divide and misdirect; not have a substantive debate on real issues. Besides, they could always pose a budget that isn't dogshit retarded if they actually cared. It can't turn out any worse than Obama's budgets which have been unanimously voted down two years running.
Post edited September 02, 2012 by tangledblue11
avatar
tangledblue11: Last I checked America still #1 little bro. Biggest economy, strongest nation, the only western nation that is worth even mentioning these days. Stay small and stay mad.
Heh, you're a funny man.
avatar
stonebro: And when the fuck was America last great? The fifties?

Democrats are racist? I'm SORRY? Coming from the side who had followers throw peanuts at a black CNN reporter during their convention, shouting "this is how we feed animals"?

Go fuck yourself with a rake.
avatar
tangledblue11: Son you wouldn't know greatness if it America shot a tube of it down from space (because Norway can't go to space) and bounced it off your face. Last I checked America still #1 little bro. Biggest economy, strongest nation, the only western nation that is worth even mentioning these days. Stay small and stay mad. Oh and nice job representing yourself and your country. Sounds like you're as bigoted, rude and extreme as Democrats.

@hedwards: your entire post can be summarily dismissed by the following- nobody gives a fuck what excuse Democrats use to shirk their responsibilities. They don't put forward a plan because they don't want to be tied to ANY hard and fast agenda. They want to divide and misdirect; not have a substantive debate on real issues. Besides, they could always pose a budget that isn't dogshit retarded if they actually cared. It can't turn out any worse than Obama's budgets which have been unanimously voted down two years running. Republicans hate the thought of raising taxes with a passion when Bush showed that the taxes aren't doing anything to keep business here in the first place.
Last time I checked, America was also getting it's ass handed to itself by policies that reward big business while letting the little guy pay for it, like the oil executives that got multi-billion dollar bonuses while being responsible for some of the worst environmental and ecological disasters caused by human error. Companies under Bush moved to China constantly and there was little way to keep them here, because the Republican side would say that it's a result of high taxes, which were substantially low under George Bush to begin with and were set into law until half way through Obama's first term. Guess what happened? Businesses still fire the fuck out of empolyees on a regular basis, go overseas, and yet still have executives that are among the wealthiest in the United States, paid bonuses that could hire 20 employees for their entire lives in some cases while still bringing a multi-million dollar income.

If you want to say America had a time it was great, it would have to consist of: No War, No Social Issues, No International War, Econimic Growth, and Social Prosperity. You have to go WAY back to find that anywhere, because you get the following.

90's: Gulf War, Tensions in the Middle East, Impeachment of Bill Clinton
80's: Hyper Inflation, High Gas Prices, The Cold War
70's: More of the Cold War, Cuba Missle Crisis, Wemon's and Black Rights

It goes further back and I'm certain I have a couple dates off, but still, it looks like THAT at least into the 1920's, because you also had the damn Dust Bowl, Hitler rising to power, the Great Depression, and you still wind up in a place that's ass backwards.

You probably think it was always great in all of that. But you know what, you aren't living it now. You're so paniced over the present times you forget that what you've already lived through was just as bad at some places and wonderful when the stars were aligned.

Ah,, and the bugets: Those need a 2/3rd's majority to vote as law, which again, didn't exist in both senate and house at the same time.
Post edited September 02, 2012 by QC
avatar
tangledblue11: Last I checked America still #1 little bro. Biggest economy, strongest nation, the only western nation that is worth even mentioning these days. Stay small and stay mad.
avatar
WBGhiro: Heh, you're a funny man.
My apologies, I'm not usually as big a hater as American Democrats. Any country in the EU auto fails which of course hinders most western European countries from seeking greatness. Once the EU collapses I'll re-evaluate my comments. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h__uutzcQXc&hd=1

About the "greatness of america", very good scene from Newsroom.
avatar
tangledblue11: Son you wouldn't know greatness if it America shot a tube of it down from space (because Norway can't go to space) and bounced it off your face. Last I checked America still #1 little bro. Biggest economy, strongest nation, the only western nation that is worth even mentioning these days. Stay small and stay mad. Oh and nice job representing yourself and your country. Sounds like you're as bigoted, rude and extreme as Democrats.

@hedwards: your entire post can be summarily dismissed by the following- nobody gives a fuck what excuse Democrats use to shirk their responsibilities. They don't put forward a plan because they don't want to be tied to ANY hard and fast agenda. They want to divide and misdirect; not have a substantive debate on real issues. Besides, they could always pose a budget that isn't dogshit retarded if they actually cared. It can't turn out any worse than Obama's budgets which have been unanimously voted down two years running. Republicans hate the thought of raising taxes with a passion when Bush showed that the taxes aren't doing anything to keep business here in the first place.
avatar
QC: Last time I checked, America was also getting it's ass handed to itself by policies that reward big business while letting the little guy pay for it, like the oil executives that got multi-billion dollar bonuses while being responsible for some of the worst environmental and ecological disasters caused by human error. Companies under Bush moved to China constantly and there was little way to keep them here, because the Republican side would say that it's a result of high taxes, which were substantially low under George Bush to begin with and were set into law until half way through Obama's first term. Guess what happened? Businesses still fire the fuck out of empolyees on a regular basis, go overseas, and yet still have executives that are among the wealthiest in the United States, paid bonuses that could hire 20 employees for their entire lives in some cases while still bringing a multi-million dollar income.

If you want to say America had a time it was great, it would have to consist of: No War, No Social Issues, No International War, Econimic Growth, and Social Prosperity. You have to go WAY back to find that anywhere, because you get the following.

90's: Gulf War, Tensions in the Middle East, Impeachment of Bill Clinton
80's: Hyper Inflation, High Gas Prices, The Cold War
70's: More of the Cold War, Cuba Missle Crisis, Wemon's and Black Rights

It goes further back and I'm certain I have a couple dates off, but still, it looks like THAT at least into the 1920's, because you also had the damn Dust Bowl, Hitler rising to power, the Great Depression, and you still wind up in a place that's ass backwards.

You probably think it was always great in all of that. But you know what, you aren't living it now. You're so paniced over the present times you forget that what you've already lived through was just as bad at some places and wonderful when the stars were aligned.

Ah,, and the bugets: Those need a 2/3rd's majority to vote as law, which again, didn't exist in both senate and house at the same time.
We are in agreement on several points, although I think a few of your conclusions are very simple-minded. The history of America is not a single-rail ride as I'm sure you know.

I probably dislike GWB more than you do - and unlike most Americans - I can actually articulate why I dislike him rather than repeating the same 3-4 talking points over and over again as learned from some half-wit media outlet.

I have a relatively small business and I hate the corporate welfare nonsense more than anyone because it directly impacts me. We have companies in America paying $0 in taxes because they're politically connected and can afford to pay lobbyists. Meanwhile, my business has a 42%+ annal tax rate! How is the hell is that fair?

Also I just have to mention that whlie I do agree with your general dislike of Bush, you are attributing way too many problems to him. It is expensive to do business in America for the most part and our taxes are VERY high if you actually have to pay them. That's why jobs go oversees. Taxes are only one part of the puzzle and it's a very large puzzle.
Post edited September 02, 2012 by tangledblue11