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Posted November 23, 2013
nvm
Post edited November 23, 2013 by Leroux
Posted November 23, 2013
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monkeydelarge: Please read the definition of "game" here. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game?s=t You don't think games should be games. You think games should be propaganda.
Yeah, because things that are "games" don't have any impact on society as a whole at all. </sarcasm>

So we also shouldn't care that things like horrible hazing and bullying go on in football locker rooms because of the culture of the game (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/subject-to-further-review.html?_r=0)?
Post edited November 23, 2013 by SheBear
Posted November 23, 2013
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Nalkoden: Yep. The've gone down hill thanks to that "Social Justice Warrior" crap.

This is not behaviour of a good journalist or how to adress a social problem. Pathetic. Their Deponia review is, at worst, insulting intelligence or, at best, incredibly bad review. I don't like Blizzard very much as a company but when Browden shot them down and ended the interview... *enthusiastic clap clap clap*

Also anyonone got any recommendation of PC gaming websites? I'm currently reading True PC Gaming but dont have any other.
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monkeydelarge: He didn't really shoot them down. More like, he disappeared like a ninja in a puff of smoke.
Hmmm... Good point. Far better analogy. :) And now they'll never gonna catch the ninja off guard again. :D
Post edited November 23, 2013 by Nalkoden
Posted November 23, 2013
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monkeydelarge: Please read the definition of "game" here. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game?s=t You don't think games should be games. You think games should be propaganda.

He didn't really shoot them down. More like, he disappeared like a ninja in a puff of smoke.
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Nalkoden: Hmmm... Good point. Far better analogy. :) And now they'll never gonna catch the ninja off guard again. :D
Well at least he didn't give in. We should give him credit for that.
Posted November 23, 2013
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monkeydelarge: You don't think games should be games. You think games should be propaganda.
I believe that games, like movies or books, should be free to explore any kind of material. I also believe that the relevant media should be free to think in a bigger context than _just_ the the content of the respective media, and I find it weird to criticize them for trying to look at the bigger picture.

I also believe that stating "gaming media should only talk about gameplay" is a rather cowardly attempt of banishing an unwelcome topic, instead of addressing it in fair and open discussion. Especially when this argument is only made towards one particular topic (depiction of female characters), and not for the many other topics in gaming media that aren't just gameplay descriptions.
Posted November 23, 2013
Nah, ToiletPaperShitgun is more apropriate. =P
Posted November 23, 2013
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SheBear: Yeah, because things that are "games" don't have any impact on society as a whole at all. </sarcasm>
"Everything is political! You cannot separate XYZ from society!" is a bizarro sentiment which one would probably find in a chapter of 1984. Video games are a form of entertainment.

So we also shouldn't care that things like horrible hazing and bullying go on in football locker rooms because of the culture of the game (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/subject-to-further-review.html?_r=0)?
I think if you put criminal acts like physical assaults on individuals into the same category as someone being offended by something fictional in a video game, you have already gone off the deep end. If you don't like the content in a game, don't play it.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by Crosmando
Posted November 23, 2013
Well that's RPS, what did you expect ?

They would probably have found something to be outraged of in Pong it they were around in the 70th.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by Gersen
Posted November 23, 2013
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monkeydelarge: You don't think games should be games. You think games should be propaganda.
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Psyringe: I believe that games, like movies or books, should be free to explore any kind of material. I also believe that the relevant media should be free to think in a bigger context than _just_ the the content of the respective media, and I find it weird to criticize them for trying to look at the bigger picture.

I also believe that stating "gaming media should only talk about gameplay" is a rather cowardly attempt of banishing an unwelcome topic, instead of addressing it in fair and open discussion. Especially when this argument is only made towards one particular topic (depiction of female characters), and not for the many other topics in gaming media that aren't just gameplay descriptions.
Okay, fine. You believe games should be free to be what they want to be so why attack games that simply want to be games? It's obvious, Blizzard simply wants to create games that are only games. They are not being cowardly. That is just what they want to do because they think that is what is best for them.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by monkeydelarge
Posted November 23, 2013
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keeveek: I don't care about some bits of pixels and polygons. They are not real. If someone made a game where every woman is naked with great boobs and butts, that's ok.

The same if they made all male characters supermodels.
And what if they made all characters naked male supermodels with great dicks and firm butts and a pink ribbon around their collar? I take it that would not have the least impact on you enjoying the game, because it's just bits of pixels and polygons? :)
Post edited November 23, 2013 by Leroux
Posted November 23, 2013
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SheBear: So we also shouldn't care that things like horrible hazing and bullying go on in football locker rooms because of the culture of the game (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/subject-to-further-review.html?_r=0)?
Bullying happens to real people.
Posted November 23, 2013
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keeveek: I don't care about some bits of pixels and polygons. They are not real. If someone made a game where every woman is naked with great boobs and butts, that's ok.

The same if they made all male characters supermodels.
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Leroux: And what if they made all characters naked male supermodels with great dicks and firm butts and a pink ribbon around their collar? I take it that would not have the least impact on you enjoying the game, because it's just bits of pixels and polygons? :)
I have never encountered a game that made all characters naked female supermodels with nice tits and asses.
Posted November 23, 2013
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Leroux: And what if they made all characters naked male supermodels with great dicks and firm butts and a pink ribbon around their collar? I take it that would not have the least impact on you enjoying the game, because it's just bits of pixels and polygons? :)
If it was a good game, I would probably play it.

And if not, I would ignore it just how I ignore thousands of video games every year.

If any of you thinks video games are art, then for me, the most important part of any art is freedom of creation. I wouldn't cry havoc because some polygons are penises.
Posted November 23, 2013
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SheBear: Yeah, because things that are "games" don't have any impact on society as a whole at all. </sarcasm>
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Crosmando: "Everything is political! You cannot separate XYZ from society!" is a bizarro sentiment which one would probably find in a chapter of 1984. Video games are a form of entertainment.

So we also shouldn't care that things like horrible hazing and bullying go on in football locker rooms because of the culture of the game (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/opinion/subject-to-further-review.html?_r=0)?
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Crosmando: I think if you put criminal acts like physical assaults on individuals into the same category as someone being offended by something fictional in a video game, you have already gone off the deep end. If you don't like the content in a game, don't play it.
Crosmando, your whole worldview is acquired through tales, medias, movies, myths, models, advertisements, etc. That is what fabricates a society's values and sense of normality. Videogames are just one element amongst this.

If you want to understand how things are viewed in a given society, then check how these views are mirrored in fictions. And if you want to know how such views are maintained and reproduced in a society, then all these fictions have to be analysed to, because they do shape our undrstanding of the world, its categories, its values, what is cool or not, normal or excentric.

Videogames are not "outside" that, they are in it like all other medias. And no popular media is outside of this cycle of mirroring and reinforcing a given society's worldview.
Posted November 23, 2013
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monkeydelarge: I have never encountered a game that made all characters naked female supermodels with nice tits and asses.
And that's a shame, isn't it? :P
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