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Siannah: Create an FPS game with all males wearing nothing but thongs, while females run around fully dressed. I doubt the result of how many gamers play it, would be the same as when it's the other way around. :)
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Kurina: Sure, then you will have nobody playing your game. You will have alienated most of your male audience, and the girls that still do not enjoy this type of gameplay will continue to avoid it.
As a heterosexual male I don't see the problem with that type of game as long as the gameplay is solid. I would likely be thoroughly amused. :)

You're probably talking about alienating insecure males, males/females with no sense of humor/'traditional values', females who dislike FPS games anyway (which...I've found to be surprisingly few), males/females who dislike cross dressing males, and males/females who are more attracted to scantily clad females.

I don't think there would be as much of a market loss on such a title as you 2 are suggesting and something like that done right could be very successful. It's too early to suggest otherwise based on your personal tastes alone. Especially considering that games with sexy females running around has been done to the point of becoming a norm. :)
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MaximumBunny: As a heterosexual male I don't see the problem with that type of game as long as the gameplay is solid. I would likely be thoroughly amused. :)

You're probably talking about alienating insecure males, males/females with no sense of humor/'traditional values', females who dislike FPS games anyway (which...I've found to be surprisingly few), males/females who dislike cross dressing males, and males/females who are more attracted to scantily clad females.

I don't think there would be as much of a market loss on such a title as you 2 are suggesting and something like that done right could be very successful. It's too early to suggest otherwise based on your personal tastes alone. Especially considering that games with sexy females running around has been done to the point of becoming a norm. :)
Fair enough, I may have gone too far with that assumption. :) I think I was mostly thinking of guys who love their military games and hyper masculine characters. Thinking about it now though, that is certainly a bit narrow minded, as there are plenty of other FPS titles that have been absurd in different ways and received a lot of attention.

As you said though, what matters in the end is gameplay, and I still stand by my original stance that nothing is going to change in regards to the female population with these type of games. While many girls play this stuff (myself included), the rest simply find the subject matter and gameplay unappealing. No matter how you dress the characters, it comes down to the game and whether someone finds it fun or not. I find it silly that websites like RPS try to narrow it down to simply having some hyper-sexualized characters as the reason women tend to avoid these games, when there is a lot more to consider than that alone.
Post edited November 25, 2013 by Kurina
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amok: Just for fun, attached is a couple of promotional pics from the ftp game Panzar which just popped up on steam. I bet that is very sensible when wading into hordes of mobs :)
What you see in those pics, is one of the reasons, I'm going to check out Panzar when I have more time. :) Dat ass...
But I get your point. It looks really out of place and makes the game look silly. The only way it could make sense is if, she has the power to bring forth a special force field around her that can stop every kind of physical attack.
Post edited November 25, 2013 by monkeydelarge
I will freely admit I do own X-blades & I enjoy it

I also own Fallout 3 & I have no issues with nude mods save for the fact I am not a fan of the ridiculously super huge member & boob types & I like the option to be or a have a prostitute via mods.

that's not to say I demean non-virtual females though

I think Devs & modders (where applicable) should be able to use the the gaming medium creatively
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Siannah: They sure like unsubtle sexual content in their games, though - at least for the female characters. :)
May I direct you to what I posted previously?

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HereForTheBeer: For what it's worth, here are some other character skins, male and female, from the upcoming game. Take a look at all of them but pay particular attention to the two shots 2nd and 3rd from the right. I'll give y'all a minute...
These are some characters from the game that the interview was intended to cover. There are some fully armored avatars and some more 'primitive' types, both male and female, less-than-fully clothed. The males are overly muscular and the females are a bit busty and muscular. Are the male and female characters not being represented pretty equally? The problem here is...???

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Meanwhile, Kerrigan is dressed like Miley Cyrus as she goes to pick up her niece from daycare... game imitates life and we blame the game. And somehow connect the brief cutscenes to sexual assault by gamers who are often afraid to talk to women, let alone touch them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4XPsStcxX4

Blizzard apologised, btw.

but the "journalist" in this video is also speaking about roller derby nova... what the fuck...
Post edited November 26, 2013 by keeveek
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amok: Just for fun, attached is a couple of promotional pics from the ftp game Panzar which just popped up on steam. I bet that is very sensible when wading into hordes of mobs :)
I just distinguish the same pair of things in the two sides. You could make motivational poster related to "obvious" with those.
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keeveek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4XPsStcxX4

Blizzard apologised, btw.

but the "journalist" in this video is also speaking about roller derby nova... what the fuck...
And there you have the power of the very poor journalism RPS is doing. They start with a very laden question that is very leading and is already flawed in context (Oo you depraved people, you show off a girl's ass - why do you make girls look sexy?) to which they get a very civil reply ("I'll take the feedback, it's very fair feedback"). But no no, the white knights aren't happy so start to bug the poor guy even more with a statement which translates into "yeah you suck, boooo on you for using comics as reference" - of course the guy is going to get annoyed.

It's standard journalism trickery - get someone annoyed and then start to drool as he gives you news-worthy answers. News value? Fucking zero. But hey, they're getting views right?

Let's be clear here though - this is not the right way to do it. This is NOT how you stimulate devs to take the matter seriously. All it does, is piss them off by the over-the-top white knighting around. You really have to question the sanity of RPS writers and how oblivious they are about how they're being perceived and how they're doing far more harm than good by making things black & white.
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Siannah: They sure like unsubtle sexual content in their games, though - at least for the female characters. :)
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HereForTheBeer: May I direct you to what I posted previously?
May I return the favor?
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Siannah: If they picked the right target and did a good job with their article, is a different story, but they need to be able to ask those questions. Even following this thread here for just a bit makes it clear, that a big percentage of gamers don't want that at all. Not the discussion nor the questions.
Did you missed that? It was in the same post.
And why couldn't Browder come up with that as an answer?

... and no, plate mail bikinis (not saying that applies here) aren't justified with male barbarian type pictures, sry. :)
CollegeHumor - Female Armor Sucks
Post edited November 26, 2013 by Siannah
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Siannah: ... and no, plate mail bikinis (not saying that applies here) aren't justified with male barbarian type pictures, sry. :)
CollegeHumor - Female Armor Sucks
The difference is, Conan is not a whiny little bitch and he fights almost naked, because that's just how good he is.

http://www.themovies.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-to-star-in-Conan-reboot.jpg

but if we go with realism, there should be less female warriors in fantasy, because most of them wouldn't be able to run in full armour for more than 5 meters.
Post edited November 26, 2013 by keeveek
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keeveek: snip
Going with realism in fantasy is difficult per se, going with equality should be achievable even more so for games.

I stated it before: why not going for an option where players can decide? We've gotten options of showing your headgear / shoulder pads in games, why not an option for skimpy / fully dressed armor, for both male and female? All it takes are a few more textures.
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Siannah: ... and no, plate mail bikinis (not saying that applies here) aren't justified with male barbarian type pictures, sry. :)
CollegeHumor - Female Armor Sucks
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keeveek: The difference is, Conan is not a whiny little bitch and he fights almost naked, because that's just how good he is.

http://www.themovies.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-to-star-in-Conan-reboot.jpg

but if we go with realism, there should be less female warriors in fantasy, because most of them wouldn't be able to run in full armour for more than 5 meters.
Technically - Conan is an Barbarian. The difference is that male warriors is dressed as warriors, male barbarians as barbarians - female barbarians as barbarians, female warriors as barbarians...
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Siannah: I stated it before: why not going for an option where players can decide? We've gotten options of showing your headgear / shoulder pads in games, why not an option for skimpy / fully dressed armor, for both male and female? All it takes are a few more textures.
Diversity would be good. I am all for it. I'd love to play naked with only my amulet of super strenght being displayed, but I guess it will take some time before full naked male bodies will be featured...
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amok: Technically - Conan is an Barbarian. The difference is that male warriors is dressed as warriors, male barbarians as barbarians - female barbarians as barbarians, female warriors as barbarians...
Again, if we go with realism - there should be barely any female warriors in games and absolutely no female priests for instance.

I guess a female main character warrior would be plausible, but NPCs? Maybe one out of thousand warrior npcs should be female.

Then we'd have realism.


As I see it, when my character gets more and more powerful, he would need less and less armour in combat. But sadly this principle seems to work only with female characters.
Post edited November 26, 2013 by keeveek
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Siannah: I stated it before: why not going for an option where players can decide? We've gotten options of showing your headgear / shoulder pads in games, why not an option for skimpy / fully dressed armor, for both male and female? All it takes are a few more textures.
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keeveek: Diversity would be good. I am all for it. I'd love to play naked with only my amulet of super strenght being displayed, but I guess it will take some time before full naked male bodies will be featured...
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amok: Technically - Conan is an Barbarian. The difference is that male warriors is dressed as warriors, male barbarians as barbarians - female barbarians as barbarians, female warriors as barbarians...
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keeveek: Again, if we go with realism - there should be barely any female warriors in games and absolutely no female priests for instance.

I guess a female main character warrior would be plausible, but NPCs? Maybe one out of thousand warrior npcs should be female.

Then we'd have realism.
I wonder where your notions of realism and the use of enchanted armor brings us :)

But yeah, Conan is very much grounded in realism - a loincloth is typical what barbarians from the north was wearing...

edit - or fighting hordes of orcs, for that mater
Post edited November 26, 2013 by amok
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amok: I wonder where your notions of realism and the use of enchanted armor brings us :)

But yeah, Conan is very much grounded in realism - a loincloth is typical what barbarians from the north was wearing...

edit - or fighting hordes of orcs, for that mater
We can't find a conclusion here, because you want to dress women more while I want to undress men more.