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Posted November 25, 2013
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keeveek: By the way, if only 3% of the women in USA are reporting rape to the authorities, and in 2006 there were around 200,000 rape crimes reported, that would mean in reality, in 2006 there were around 6 million women raped in USA just in 2006

WOW.
That may be technically correct. Cases where the women are drunk would technically be rape, even in cases where the man also was.

In context, realize that there's roughly 100 million women in the US that are presumably old enough for this stuff to happen. 6m would still be a horrible number, but if you're counting things that are only technically rape, it could be correct.

Also, part of the problem is that we tend to focus on increasingly harsh sentences regardless of the feelings of the victim and slut shaming anybody foolish enough to be raped. The trial process itself is incredibly uncomfortable as well.
Posted November 25, 2013
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hedwards: That may be technically correct. Cases where the women are drunk would technically be rape, even in cases where the man also was.

In context, realize that there's roughly 100 million women in the US that are presumably old enough for this stuff to happen. 6m would still be a horrible number, but if you're counting things that are only technically rape, it could be correct.

Also, part of the problem is that we tend to focus on increasingly harsh sentences regardless of the feelings of the victim and slut shaming anybody foolish enough to be raped. The trial process itself is incredibly uncomfortable as well.
If 6 million women are raped yearly, that would mean in less than 10 years 50% of USA women would be raped.
But there is a tendency to count every intercourse that wasn't solely initiated by a 100% sober female to count as rape, so yeah, I guess....
Post edited November 25, 2013 by keeveek
Posted November 25, 2013
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Siannah: 97% of rapists will never spend a day in jail - coming from studies about only 3% of those physically or sexual abused actually reporting the abuse to authority figures. See the report I linked above or check RAINN "the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization.
One of "America's 100 Best Charities" -Worth magazine"
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keeveek: What the fuck? Even in Poland around 80% of rape crimes are reported and in USA it would be 3%? I can't believe that...
I apologize, wrong wording from my side. It's about 60% of sexual assaults not being reported and about 3% being actually convicted as guilty.
I'll edit it to prevent further confusion.
Post edited November 25, 2013 by Siannah
Posted November 25, 2013
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Kennethor: Minorieties in europe or america don't suffer -- They might not get the job they wanted because they're black

Really? So because not everyone is being killed or beaten for having another coloured skin than white it's okay?
Also on the menu:
Daily racism: you're in public minding your own business when someone calls you a "fucking n****r", "shopping while black", etc.
Racial profiling, stop and frisk, general harassment by police, up to and including being killed as a probable suspect.
Harsher sentences for the same offences, up to and including death penalty.
Posted November 25, 2013
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Siannah: I apologize, wrong wording from my side. It's about 60% of sexual assaults not being reported and about 3% being actually convicted as guilty.
I'll edit it to prevent further confusion.
You also shouldn't speak about rapists if you mean all types of sexual assault, because only one of them is rape. I guess most cases of sexual harassement don't get reported, but those people are not legally rapists.
Posted November 25, 2013
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Telika: I really find it strange that the very people who complain that videogames are not valuated as a legit media start panicking when games get analysed the same way as movies or films, that is also in terms of narration, values, representations, etc.

Or does this vocal crowd also find it strange when critics point out sexism in movies (like "sucker punch", etc ?).
In this thread my gripe is with the article in question. They're talking about this iso action-strategy game, showing screenshots and a video trailer of the gameplay. In those bits, it's difficult to tell if any of the units are female, and if they're showing naughty bits. And that's with the stills. In the video itself, I think that demon / medusa-looking thingy is female but I'm not sure. And it's certainly not enough to get my own naughty bits all a-tingle.

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Then he derails to Kerrigan. Uuuhhh.... I thought they were talking about the upcoming game, not some cutscenes from a different game. But whatever.

The interviewer intros the digression with a mention of the character "Roller Derby Nova". So I did a search on that term to try to find pics of that character; instead, I was taken to - not surprising once you think about it - a roller derby league in Northern Virginia (shorthand: NoVa). Follow that link and go to some of the team pages. We see that the teams are highlighting their badass sexiness. Is the character name intentional? I don't know. But surely, it was a strange choice to use that particular example to introduce the topic since it leads one to think about roller derby, a sport which itself - by choice - does what the interviewer gripes about: portrays women with sexiness. And also power. And self-determination.

For what it's worth, here are some other character skins, male and female, from the upcoming game. Take a look at all of them but pay particular attention to the two shots 2nd and 3rd from the right. I'll give y'all a minute...




Is Blizzard singling out the female characters?
Posted November 25, 2013
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Starmaker: Daily racism: you're in public minding your own business when someone calls you a "fucking n****r", "shopping while black", etc.
Racial profiling, stop and frisk, general harassment by police, up to and including being killed as a probable suspect.
Harsher sentences for the same offences, up to and including death penalty.
Daily racism works both ways, though. It's true that a white guy still has a bigger chance of getting the job. But also he is the most likely to loose it if there are layoffs in the company. If you are a white male, you are almost certainly first to be fired if there are budget cuts in the company.

Also, it's considered racist to assume a car thief to be black, but it's not considered racist to consider a serial killer to be white even though both instances are statistically correct.
Post edited November 25, 2013 by keeveek
Posted November 25, 2013
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keeveek: You also shouldn't speak about rapists if you mean all types of sexual assault, because only one of them is rape. I guess most cases of sexual harassement don't get reported, but those people are not legally rapists.
They didn't threw it into one pot. Two different statements concerning two different things: sexual assaults and rape, separated.
And I hardly believe the theory that rape get's more reported then sexual assaults. As much as I doubt your 80% rate of reports in Poland.

RAINN reporting rates with references on the bottom
Post edited November 25, 2013 by Siannah
Posted November 25, 2013
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Siannah: RAINN reporting rates with references on the bottom
If the court finds only 4 convictions, how do they know the other ones were rape? This graphic assums that every time a woman think she was raped, she was actually raped.

If a court finds someone not guilty I'd rather trust the judge. But I live in a country without public jury system.
Posted November 25, 2013
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Kennethor: Stop throwing around accusations, you don't know who I am, what I do and what I've exprerienced.
Same goes for you.

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Kennethor: Really? So because not everyone is being killed or beaten for having another coloured skin than white it's okay?
No almost no one being beaten or killed becuase they're black or white is okay.

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Kennethor: Then go to a third world country and do somehting
So you are implying that we are better than them? The dirty, savage people in the third world? (as you would put it)
Respond seriously or don't respond at all, don't make racist statements.
Better than them, No. Better off, well we dont' have to deal with nearly as much disease, war and famine, so call me a racist, but I think we might.
Posted November 25, 2013
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Kennethor: Stop throwing around accusations, you don't know who I am, what I do and what I've exprerienced.
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WBGhiro: Same goes for you.

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Kennethor: Really? So because not everyone is being killed or beaten for having another coloured skin than white it's okay?
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WBGhiro: No almost no one being beaten or killed becuase they're black or white is okay.

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Kennethor: Then go to a third world country and do somehting
So you are implying that we are better than them? The dirty, savage people in the third world? (as you would put it)
Respond seriously or don't respond at all, don't make racist statements.
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WBGhiro: Better than them, No. Better off, well we dont' have to deal with nearly as much disease, war and famine, so call me a racist, but I think we might.
I am trying to have a serious debate here, just like everyone else. You are not, I am not interested in trying to make you understand. You have already made up your mind. Stop trolling.
Posted November 25, 2013
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Vestin: There's only one explanation - these poor girls got brainwashed into thinking that this is OK! The patriarchy got to them before the forces of good could...
Alternatively - you could argue that SOME girls are NOT playing MOBA games. The reason? I think it's fairly obvious - inhumane depiction of female champions.
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Red_Avatar: Yes but in any argument it's about numbers. There's two groups of people who like female characters to be sexy:
- most male gamers
- a large part of the female gamer population
I was being sarcastic xD! I had tried to think of the most convincing argument the other side could present, and then I posted it to underline how right you were.
I can hardly think of an actual cause more ridiculous than telling fictional characters to be more modest in their clothing. That's not only treating the aesthetical as the ethical, it's messed up in countless hidden assumptions... I'm tempted to eventually compile a list of all the reasons this crusade is wrong, but most of it has already been mentioned more or less explicitly (besides - it would require more respect than the issue deserves).
Posted November 25, 2013
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Vestin: I'm tempted to eventually compile a list of all the reasons this crusade is wrong, but most of it has already been mentioned more or less explicitly (besides - it would require more respect than the issue deserves).
I want this. So I could copy-paste that list in discussions like that instead of writing it all by myself :P
Posted November 25, 2013
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Vestin: I'm tempted to eventually compile a list of all the reasons this crusade is wrong, but most of it has already been mentioned more or less explicitly (besides - it would require more respect than the issue deserves).
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keeveek: I want this. So I could copy-paste that list in discussions like that instead of writing it all by myself :P
I would have to make it more general for such a purpose ;P. The list of reasons for that time the RPS guys found the statue of a dismembered, mutilated, rotten corpse attractive would be a bit different from the one where they conclude that there's nothing misogynic in a MOBA game so far and inquire on what will be in the future...
Maybe I could get a grant for a thorough investigation on this issue? I'm not in the best of relations with any of our guys at the Aesthetics camp, but I might as well pay them a visit ;P...
Posted November 25, 2013
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hedwards: That may be technically correct. Cases where the women are drunk would technically be rape, even in cases where the man also was.
I love double standards. For some reason if a woman gets drunk she is automatically absolved of all responsibility for her actions regarding sex. If a guy has sex with her he is a rapist regardless of how much he drank. But if any of them got behind the wheel while drunk and ran somebody over they would be responsible. The logic is just astounding.
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