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Why do people insist on telling me what happens on that shit site ? You know, if you'd just stop giving them attention, they'd go bankrupt, as I suspect they're very close to now . And if you want your damn gaming news, just make a thread here on GOG and ask people about whatever you want to know. Likewise, you could try reading paper magazines, as I do (Level magazine) as they tend to have less bullshit, for lack of space if nothing else.
Not particularily commenting on this article, but damn, it's so hard lately to read a review for a movie, tv show or video game and not read about racism, sexism and oppressed minorities.

God fucking damn it.

Lately I've read a review of Almost Human (new TV show) and author was whining that there are less male sex robots than female ones.

Really, America.


Also: women can't be sexy and empowered at the same time, american "journalism" #31023 edition.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by keeveek
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Crosmando: RPS: But it’s not even about a message. The goal is to let people have fun in an environment where they can feel awesome without being weirded out or even objectified. This is a genre about empowerment. Why shouldn’t everyone feel empowered? That’s what it’s about at the end of the day: letting everyone have a fair chance to feel awesome.

Browder: Uh-huh. Cool. Totally.
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Vestin: xD
I've been always taught that around people who may be a danger to themselves and those around them you should speak softly, keep agreeing and discreetly look for escape paths. Apparently DB is following the same school of thought...
It seems I went to the other school.
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Crosmando: How is that "serious journalism", unless RPS has suddenly rebranded themselves from a game news site to a political advocacy blog without me noticing, they should be asking questions about ~gameplay~.
It really is tragic what is happening to gaming sites these days with all that horseshit about sexualization of women and other radfem BS that is poisoning gaming. Gamespot is being destroyed by Carolyn Petit and her feminist agenda and now RPS. And lets not forget that Anita S. is still up to no good with her specific brand of "gaming journalism".

Ah, I long for the days of Duke Nukem 3D where men could just enjoy a little digital eroticism without being called a misogynist pig - because apparently it's wrong for men to be turned on by women even if that is how male sexuality works - but I get it, we are pigs that should be neutered or just killed so women can inherit the earth.
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retsuseiba: Don't like it, don't buy it.
I agree 100%. I don't care what developers put in their games or how they dress female characters or whatever else. If you got a problem with it, just vote with your wallet. Me personally, I just don't care; they're just games. Haha.

RPS is just another example of the media in general getting too sensitive. It's too bad that mentality has leaked into the gaming media too.
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Psyringe: I usually don't regard RPS very highly, but kudos to them for not letting Dustin Browder get away with that incredibly cheap cop-out of a response.

Crosmando's post doesn't make sense to me though. It seems that he is trying to criticize RPS (for which there are more than enough targets available), but then chose to show an article in which they actually try to do some serious jounalism.
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Crosmando: How is that "serious journalism", unless RPS has suddenly rebranded themselves from a game news site to a political advocacy blog without me noticing, they should be asking questions about ~gameplay~.
That's interesting. You're using the same strategy as Browden - trying to shove away an inconvenient topic by giving the impression that it should only be addressed elsewhere.

Browden tried to make an incredibly silly point that "we're not running for president" is a valid way of addressing concerns about the way his game depicts female characters. You are trying to make a similar point that gaming media _should_ actually remain blind to bigger issues that the industry may have, should _only_ discuss gameplay, and that anything else should only be discussed in political blogs.

Honestly, that's a silly argument. You might not like the fact that this topic is being discussed; that's fine. It is of interest for others though (and bears some importance for the industry in general), so demanding from gaming media that they should not address it comes across as just another instance of "I don't want to read stuff I might disagree with". Since you do seem to enjoy writing controversial posts yourself, I believe it's a bit hypocritical to demand from gaming media to ignore a particular controversial topic that you may not want to read about.

Gaming is not isolated from the rest of society. It does influence (and is influenced by) other things that are going on in our world - politics, economics, ideals, changes in society. Just like there is good reason to write gameplay-only articles, there is also good reason to look beyond our own noses. I may not agree with every such article I read, but I welcome the general approach.
Yes! Let's make a game staring only immortal superheroes of all sexes and sexual preferences, constantly praising each other :)
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retsuseiba: Don't like it, don't buy it.
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MisterBlack: I agree 100%. I don't care what developers put in their games or how they dress female characters or whatever else. If you got a problem with it, just vote with your wallet. Me personally, I just don't care; they're just games. Haha.

RPS is just another example of the media in general getting too sensitive. It's too bad that mentality has leaked into the gaming media too.
That's pretty much my approach as well. I don't care about some bits of pixels and polygons. They are not real. If someone made a game where every woman is naked with great boobs and butts, that's ok.

The same if they made all male characters supermodels.

In most american commercials men are depicted either as supermodels with square jaws, or a silly fat slobs who only drink beer and watch tv.

Is that an issue for me? Not at all. Hell, there was even an ad "All Men are Bastards" in US television and the world didn't collapse.

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Psyringe: blind to bigger issues
The way how textures on 3d models look in some silly video game is not a bigger issue. It's not an issue at all. At least for me, I don't see any reasons whatsoever why anyone should care about characters who don't exist.

If I don't like something about a video game, for example - how it looks, I just don't play it.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by keeveek
I love how all these feminist websites, articles or videos teach me more about sexism in videogaming through the reactions they provoke than through their own content...
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WBGhiro: I've got no clue where to go for pc gaming news anymore without being a called an entitled misogynist.

I gave up on RPS after that ridiculous review of deponia 3.
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Crosmando: Sounds like you haven't checked your privilege
I do that everyday. :P I'm white, so it's still there, and I parade my privilege around for everyone to see.
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Psyringe: That's interesting. You're using the same strategy as Browden - trying to shove away an inconvenient topic by giving the impression that it should only be addressed elsewhere.
It should be addressed elsewhere, it has no place in video games.

Browden tried to make an incredibly silly point that "we're not running for president" is a valid way of addressing concerns about the way his game depicts female characters. You are trying to make a similar point that gaming media _should_ actually remain blind to bigger issues that the industry may have, should _only_ discuss gameplay, and that anything else should only be discussed in political blogs.
Yes, that is my point.

Honestly, that's a silly argument. You might not like the fact that this topic is being discussed; that's fine.

It is of interest for others though (and bears some importance for the industry in general), so demanding from gaming media that they should not address it comes across as just another instance of "I don't want to read stuff I might disagree with".
My opinions on ~political issues~ are irrelevant. I'm arguing against people using gaming as a target to shoehorn in their personal political opinions.

Since you do seem to enjoy writing controversial posts yourself,
None of a political nature, at least in the context of gaming.

I believe it's a bit hypocritical to demand from gaming media to ignore a particular controversial topic that you may not want to read about.
It's hypocritical of me to expect gaming media to talk about games and not use games as a backdoor for political pontification? It's about as relevant as that reviewer on GOG using the Shivah release to voice his [anti-semitic] views via reviews.

Gaming is not isolated from the rest of society. It does influence (and is influenced by) other things that are going on in our world - politics, economics, ideals, changes in society. Just like there is good reason to write gameplay-only articles, there is also good reason to look beyond our own noses. I may not agree with every such article I read, but I welcome the general approach.
None of the people at RPS have the education or academic credentials to argue about politics with any objectivity, they simply don't have anything worthwhile to add. And I wouldn't articles that dealt with real-life ideas and games, if done in a neutral, objective and non-click-baiting "controversial" way. But when you are just shouting at people to check their privilege and denouncing everyone who puts something in a game you don't like as "misogynistic" it's going into the realm of politics. You know something is going wrong when many game sites are starting to give negative reviews to games because they don't adhere to their own brand of political ideology, including RPS's own review of Deponia 3.

And yes I do think their should be a strict division of blogs, if RPS wants to rebrand itself as more of a gaming culture blog like Kotaku then go right ahead, I don't complain about the crap that comes out of Kotaku, I complain about RPS because they hide their politics behind gaming.

And I also think RPS are a bunch of highly cynical people, because they know more "controversial" articles of a political nature generate more comments, more clicks, and thus more ad revenue. It's also classic "soft target" politics, gamers on the whole are a more passive lot, and they probably wouldn't defend themselves much to being constantly called a misogynist by the media. If they tried this kind of crap in ANY OTHER field or industry except games, they would you know have to provide academic evidence, you can't just say "sexism is a problem in gaming" and then provide anecdotal examples like some dickheads in fighting game community.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by Crosmando
Yep. The've gone down hill thanks to that "Social Justice Warrior" crap.

This is not behaviour of a good journalist or how to adress a social problem. Pathetic. Their Deponia review is, at worst, insulting intelligence or, at best, incredibly bad review. I don't like Blizzard very much as a company but when Browden shot them down and ended the interview... *enthusiastic clap clap clap*

Also anyonone got any recommendation of PC gaming websites? I'm currently reading True PC Gaming but dont have any other.
It's a shame, I can't visit that site anymore. It's like the staff developed a form of tourette's syndrome. :(
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Crosmando: How is that "serious journalism", unless RPS has suddenly rebranded themselves from a game news site to a political advocacy blog without me noticing, they should be asking questions about ~gameplay~.
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Psyringe: That's interesting. You're using the same strategy as Browden - trying to shove away an inconvenient topic by giving the impression that it should only be addressed elsewhere.

Browden tried to make an incredibly silly point that "we're not running for president" is a valid way of addressing concerns about the way his game depicts female characters. You are trying to make a similar point that gaming media _should_ actually remain blind to bigger issues that the industry may have, should _only_ discuss gameplay, and that anything else should only be discussed in political blogs.

Honestly, that's a silly argument. You might not like the fact that this topic is being discussed; that's fine. It is of interest for others though (and bears some importance for the industry in general), so demanding from gaming media that they should not address it comes across as just another instance of "I don't want to read stuff I might disagree with". Since you do seem to enjoy writing controversial posts yourself, I believe it's a bit hypocritical to demand from gaming media to ignore a particular controversial topic that you may not want to read about.

Gaming is not isolated from the rest of society. It does influence (and is influenced by) other things that are going on in our world - politics, economics, ideals, changes in society. Just like there is good reason to write gameplay-only articles, there is also good reason to look beyond our own noses. I may not agree with every such article I read, but I welcome the general approach.
Please read the definition of "game" here. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game?s=t You don't think games should be games. You think games should be propaganda.
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Nalkoden: Yep. The've gone down hill thanks to that "Social Justice Warrior" crap.

This is not behaviour of a good journalist or how to adress a social problem. Pathetic. Their Deponia review is, at worst, insulting intelligence or, at best, incredibly bad review. I don't like Blizzard very much as a company but when Browden shot them down and ended the interview... *enthusiastic clap clap clap*

Also anyonone got any recommendation of PC gaming websites? I'm currently reading True PC Gaming but dont have any other.
He didn't really shoot them down. More like, he disappeared like a ninja in a puff of smoke.
Post edited November 23, 2013 by monkeydelarge
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Crosmando: *snip*
Well ... just to clarify that "gaming media should only talk about gameplay" stance, let me ask you a few questions:

- Gaming media often talks about sales figures. Obviously, those aren't gameplay topics, so they should be separated, be ignored by the gaming media, and be addressed only in dedicated financial blogs. Right?

- Gaming media sometimes reports about research that proves often-cited prejudice (like "gaming makes people violent") to be wrong. Someone might see these reports as an important counter to other media that keeps fostering said prejudice. Obviously, since this is not gameplay related and can be seen as a political issue, gaming media should ignore these topics, leave them to research papers, and leave the field to the media that sees gaming as inherently evil. Right?

- Let's say that gaming media finds out that a popular hardware brand is manufacturing some of their parts by child workers who work under terrible conditions. Obviously, since this is not gameplay related and can be seen as a political issue, gaming media should close their eyes and leave that topic to political blogs, right?

- Let's say that some gaming journalist wants to write a positive, light-hearted article about gamer couples (like my woman and me, who have met 13 years ago in an Internet-based game). Given that gamers are often stereotyped as lonesome sociopaths, such an article might help bringing some realism into that particular discussion. Obviously, since this is not gameplay related, such an article should never be published in gaming media, right?

I could go on, but I think I'll stop here. Basically, just take these examples and ask yourself what you really think about them. Either you _really_ think that these topics should be ignored by gaming-related media - in that case we'll just have to fundamentally disagree about the role of media in our society, and I'll be happy that there are media outlets which don't subscribe to such extreme isolationism in gaming. Or you think that these topics could (or even should) be addressed, in which case you might want to ask yourself why you're not granting the same freedom to the topic that the linked article addressed.