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Posted October 17, 2012
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mystikmind2000: People who write sci fi should be forced to watch true life stories. That way they may come to learn that things can actually go wrong 'without', yes, let me say that word again, """without"""" someone doing/contributing something stupid to the situation. Actually, as strange as this may sound, in reality, a person can actually react to a situation by doing something very smart but everything still falls apart anyway! But I'm scared that confronting sci fi writers with such a strange and foreign concept may cause them to die of shock!! (extreme sarcasm alert)
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JAAHAS: Prometheus might have worked better if it had been set to an underground temple on Earth just like AvP, as then it could have been plausible that the people stumbling upon the tomb of the creator race would be so amateurish that they would not wear full hazmat suits as soon as they have any clue that there might be a reason not to contaminate the place. Scientist today are arguing whether the meteorites with signs of bacteria have being properly handled so you would think that an expedition to another solar system for search of extraterrestrial life would know better than open their helmets or at the very least that would bother some of the audience and the script can be written to allow the actors show their faces in other scenes? Prometheus is a very bad sci-fi movie as it just wants to move a handful of people to another solar system and then ignore all the ramifications that should come with that decision like you would not bring a pothead on a space mission or a biologist that is scared of corpses yet soon after goes to a Steve Irwin mode when he sees a space snake. Instead there would have been elite soldiers and more androids as nothing less would have made sense for the old guy to take along to ensure that the mission goes as planned. At the beginning of the movie the expedition might just have been wishful thinking that a dying man would spare some funds, but later it just doesn't add up that he would have allowed it in the hands of so incompetent crew.
How do you even know it's an invitation? Maybe that guy is just like, "HEY, LOOK! Balls.". http://m15m.livejournal.com/23209.html
Posted October 17, 2012
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DCT: Barbarella
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ET3D: I'd be interested in seeing how this "classic" can be ruined.
You would be surprised how much worse they could actually make it.
Posted October 18, 2012
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Nirth: I don't deny any existance of fiction or art and I don't feel the need to fit in some kind of social circle for an collective agreement that e.g Star Wars prequels never existed or Blade Runner 2 shouldn't be released in case of failure.
Canonical Star Wars prequels didn't ever exist. The original trilogy is all he originally planned to write, which is why he later changed Episode 1 to episode IV, to give himself room in the future. It's just business.
Characters don't live on independant of you, characters exist within you. You decide what makes Deckard Cain. You decide whether or not to accept the cash grab Alien sequels as part of the visionary original. You decide whether or not to buy the Lucas altered Star Wars.

These characters are not given life by their creators, they are given life by US, and they are OURS.
Post edited October 18, 2012 by anjohl
Posted October 18, 2012
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anjohl: Canonical Star Wars prequels didn't ever exist. The original trilogy is all he originally planned to write, which is why he later changed Episode 1 to episode IV, to give himself room in the future. It's just business.
I thought he planned to release 13 movies or so. When it comes to Star Wars however I think more the merrier as I love all the data information you can get it from it but maybe that's just me. I can however say that as as movies the prequels have weak points but I can safely ignore those because they're in the Star Wars universe.
Posted October 18, 2012
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anjohl: Canonical Star Wars prequels didn't ever exist. The original trilogy is all he originally planned to write, which is why he later changed Episode 1 to episode IV, to give himself room in the future. It's just business.
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Nirth: I thought he planned to release 13 movies or so. When it comes to Star Wars however I think more the merrier as I love all the data information you can get it from it but maybe that's just me. I can however say that as as movies the prequels have weak points but I can safely ignore those because they're in the Star Wars universe.
The only post Episode III (The real episode III) Star Wars content that rises above the level of serviceable fan fiction is the animated "Clone Wars" show. It's just too bad he did anything else besides.
Posted October 18, 2012
For fuck's sake - Does American Idol pop culture REALLY need their input in propositional conspiracy stories written by authors who blew reality out their ass in contempt of American Idol pop culture?

And the plot to Prometheus "Headed to a savage paradise?" oooo gee - I wonder how that story is gonna end.
Posted October 18, 2012
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anjohl: Canonical Star Wars prequels didn't ever exist.
The story did exist back then. And now they do exist as movies, whether people like them or not.
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anjohl: The original trilogy is all he originally planned to write, which is why he later changed Episode 1 to episode IV, to give himself room in the future.
You do realize that he changed the original Star Wars (not Episode I) to Episode IV back in '81, right? He already had the outlines of the prequels.
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anjohl: These characters are not given life by their creators, they are given life by US, and they are OURS.
No, they are not ours. We didn't create them, their creators did (as if the name 'creator' isn't already self explanatory).
Post edited October 18, 2012 by Alexrd
Posted October 18, 2012
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anjohl: Canonical Star Wars prequels didn't ever exist.
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Alexrd: The story did exist back then. And now they do exist as movies, whether people like them or not.
Thanks for confirming that.

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anjohl: These characters are not given life by their creators, they are given life by US, and they are OURS.
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Alexrd: No, they are not ours. We didn't create them, their creators did (as if the name 'creator' isn't already self explanatory).
I think what he means is that the creators make the characters but they're given life to the audience as we explore the fiction.
Posted October 18, 2012
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ET3D: I'd be interested in seeing how this "classic" can be ruined.
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DCT: You would be surprised how much worse they could actually make it.
I looked up the remake, and it seems that the movie is dead but there's a TV series in the making. Could be interesting.
Posted October 18, 2012
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Nirth: I think what he means is that the creators make the characters but they're given life to the audience as we explore the fiction.
Just because we, as spectators, get invested in the story, doesn't mean we own the characters.
Post edited October 18, 2012 by Alexrd
Posted October 18, 2012
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Nirth: I think what he means is that the creators make the characters but they're given life to the audience as we explore the fiction.
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Alexrd: Just because we, as spectators, get invested in the story, doesn't mean we own the characters.
I agree, that's why this whole nonsense about denial is ridiculous but that's just my opinion, people are free to view fiction as they see fit.
Post edited October 18, 2012 by Nirth
Posted October 18, 2012
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hercufles: Uhm wich nostaligia movie they gonne ruin next?
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DCT: Let's see from what I heard ... Escape from NY...
Well, John Carpeter made already "Escape from LA", which was pretty cool indeed :-)
Posted October 19, 2012
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Alexrd: No, they are not ours. We didn't create them, their creators did (as if the name 'creator' isn't already self explanatory).
The creator gave them life, but we sustain it, not the creator. Like a mother letting a child find its own way, a character lives through us, not the creator, IP holder, or publisher.

And anyone that cannot accept the "denial" of additions to a story/character needs to grow up or get out more. I hate to be blunt, but if you are going to drink whatever the people who control the characters you love are selling, without questioning the motives or the justifications for the additions, you will have a labored, materialistic live.

Also, about Star Wars, explain:

1) Double Bladed lightsabers disappearing between episode 6 and 1.
2) Cloaking devices disappearing between episode 4 and 1

And either way, who says Lucas had any concrete story in mind back then, even if you believe that he "intentionally" started in the middle? So, an artist can go back and change anything he or she wants, and we are supposed to accept it unquestioning just because they say "I always wanted to do prequels"??!? My god people, grow a set, live in the world around you, and unplug, just for a day or so, PLEASE.

The consumerism of this generation is appalling. our parents and grandparents put people on the moon, pulled down the berlin wall, created the UN, the geneva conventions, and the best we can do is buy as much stuff as an IP holder can produce?
Post edited October 19, 2012 by anjohl
Posted October 19, 2012
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anjohl: The creator gave them life, but we sustain it, not the creator.
We sustain it?
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anjohl: And anyone that cannot accept the "denial" of additions to a story/character needs to grow up or get out more.
Who are you to decide if others see it as denial or not?
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anjohl: I hate to be blunt, but if you are going to drink whatever the people who control the characters you love are selling, without questioning the motives or the justifications for the additions, you will have a labored, materialistic live.
Fortunately that's not the case. But so that you know, some people can actually like the drink they are given. You can't say other people tastes as wrong or whatever just because you don't like them.
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anjohl: Also, about Star Wars, explain: 1) Double Bladed lightsabers disappearing between episode 6 and 1.
What kind of question is that? Are you implying that there needs to be some sort of justification for double bladed lightsabers not existing in the original trilogy? If yes, why?
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anjohl: 2) Cloaking devices disappearing between episode 4 and 1
Just because you don't see something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That's like saying Yoda not being in A New Hope is some kind of inconsistency. Things don't appear because simply they aren't needed or haven't been created yet.
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anjohl: And either way, who says Lucas had any concrete story in mind back then, even if you believe that he "intentionally" started in the middle?
Who says? Lucas.
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anjohl: So, an artist can go back and change anything he or she wants, and we are supposed to accept it unquestioning just because they say "I always wanted to do prequels"??!?
You accept it if you want, but who are you to decide that he can't go back and change anything he wants? Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple.
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anjohl: My god people, grow a set, live in the world around you, and unplug, just for a day or so, PLEASE.
What's the correlation here?
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anjohl: The consumerism of this generation is appalling. our parents and grandparents put people on the moon, pulled down the berlin wall, created the UN, the geneva conventions, and the best we can do is buy as much stuff as an IP holder can produce?
Bad strawman. What kind of comparison is that? Who are you to judge someone who likes what they are buying? And what does that has anything to do with putting people on the moon or creating the UN? Grow up.
Post edited October 19, 2012 by Alexrd
Posted October 19, 2012
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rice_pudding: A prequal to Alien I can understand, It's just a shame they made such a dogs dinner out of just about everything.
It's NOT a prequel.
It's NOT a prequel to a prequel.
It's NOT even a prequel to a prequel to a prequel.
It IS a pre-pre-pre-prequel.

It might even be a pre-pre-pre-PRE-prequel....he's not decided yet.
Alien is set in the 22nd or 23rd century.
Prometheus is set toward the end of THIS century.
Alien is set on a moon designated LV-426, in orbit around a gas giant, somewhere...
Prometheus is set on a moon designated LV-223, coincidentally, in orbit around a gas giant, 3.27x10^14 kilometres from Earth....

Prometheus is primarily a look at the "Space Jockey" race from Alien - examining who and what they are, and how it ended up crashed on LV-426 for Ripley's crew to "find". It's got a few other bits thrown in, to pad out the story a little, and leave something for the next in the series.
Yes, in places it was a bit of a mess, but we can't know (YET!) what's in Ridley's mind for the series, so I'ma just say watch it with an open mind, and stop trying to tie every single thing to a film from 30-odd years ago and far in the future of this storyline! NEVER gonna happen.
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