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The possibility that Deckard is a replicant always struck me as one of the weakest parts of the movie, especially when compared to the much more elegant way it was handled in the book. The continued insistence of Scott to make it less and less of a possibility (and more and more of a certainty) through successive cuts always really irritated me.

I can always take refuge in death of the author, though... and if that's not enough, I can go the other way remember that PKD has stated he's fully human.
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bevinator: The possibility that Deckard is a replicant always struck me as one of the weakest parts of the movie, especially when compared to the much more elegant way it was handled in the book. The continued insistence of Scott to make it less and less of a possibility (and more and more of a certainty) through successive cuts always really irritated me. I can always take refuge in death of the author, though... and if that's not enough, I can go the other way remember that PKD has stated he's fully human.
And the simple fact that the final confrontation makes little sense (or, at least, way less than if the was a replicant) if Deckard isn't human, as Ford put it back when he still fought about it with Scott. (Honestly, I don't blame him for backing off -- prolonged arguments like this are one of the most tiresome things I know)
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Crosmando: Up next Planescape 2orment: The Reckoning, the FPS sequel to the wildly popular 1999 RPG. Developed and published by Bethesda Softworks and ZeniMax.
Could you just imagine the nerd rage that would come frothing out over a game like that. It would be so delicious to see...
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Crosmando: Up next Planescape 2orment: The Reckoning, the FPS sequel to the wildly popular 1999 RPG. Developed and published by Bethesda Softworks and ZeniMax.
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rampancy: Could you just imagine the nerd rage that would come frothing out over a game like that. It would be so delicious to see...
Almost delicious enough to let it happen? Nononono...
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bevinator: The possibility that Deckard is a replicant always struck me as one of the weakest parts of the movie, especially when compared to the much more elegant way it was handled in the book. The continued insistence of Scott to make it less and less of a possibility (and more and more of a certainty) through successive cuts always really irritated me. I can always take refuge in death of the author, though... and if that's not enough, I can go the other way remember that PKD has stated he's fully human.
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Crowned: And the simple fact that the final confrontation makes little sense (or, at least, way less than if the was a replicant) if Deckard isn't human, as Ford put it back when he still fought about it with Scott. (Honestly, I don't blame him for backing off -- prolonged arguments like this are one of the most tiresome things I know)
How does that scene make less sense if he was a robot?
I should have explained it there, but I did quess someone would ask, sorry 'bout that...

Well, the way I see it, the whole final confrontation is a showdown between a man (Deckard) and an Android (Batty). In the process, Deckard, for a moment, sees the world through an android's eyes, learns how it is to live knowing you could die at any moment, and that that moment is very near.

Were he a replicant all along, this would all lose it's significance, it would just be a weaker robot against a stronger robot, with the stronger robot eventually pitying the weaker one because he knows he is going to die. The tension, in my opinion, would not be anything comparable.

As it is, I think Batty would have killed Deckard had he caught up with him earlier. Since Deckard managed to avoid him until Batty's moment of death, Batty, being vastly intelligent and experienced for his short life span saw the only way he could "win" was letting Deckard live. Live knowing replicants were capable of all the emotions humans are, so that he would never be able to retire another replicant in his lifetime. Compared, the tension is enormous. There is a subtle twist to the end, and there are two distinct worlds colliding.

This is the way I see it. And the way I see, making Deckard a replicant would be a cheap kind of twist, tantamount to a cliche -- something I wouldn't accuse Blade Runner of.

No offense, of course. I realize there are two distinct schools of seeing this. In retrospect, I must say calling it a "simple fact" is downright wrong, and I apologize for that.
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SimonG: But the Infinity Engine was horrible, imo.
I don't know, but there is something charming about the Infinity Engine. Maybe it's just nostalgia.
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akhliber: Compared to the original story, it does come across stale and almost two-dimensional. I still loved it though, and I think it's still at least the most accurate representation of a PKD story on film to-date.
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korell: Blade Runner is not the most accurate representation of a PKD story. There are lots of missing parts and themes. In "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", Deckard is married, wants to own a real sheep (owning real animals is a status symbol), isn't depressed and wants to better himself and his career, replicants are called "andys". If you want a film that is close to the PKD story then try "A Scanner Darkly".
Absolutely true, there was a ton missing, a lot of which I found central to the story. I settled for calling it "most accurate" as I've found others to stray even further from the stories they were based on. I haven't, however, seen A Scanner Darkly, so this is exciting to read. I'll have to check it out really soon. :)
Scott needs to quit making films
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mondo84: The last thing I want is hack writer Damon Lindelof even coming close to anything remotely related to Blade Runner. His effect on Prometheus was bad enough. Terrible writing.
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JAAHAS: It was the day I went to see Prometheus that in the morning I happened to heard on the radio an interview of him about the movie and foolishly I thought that maybe he could make a decent script for a movie as he would be limited in time to mess it up as badly as Lost. I think I got at least a mild brain damage from watching that film, as I can't believe how else I could have suffered it trough and right after it I only remembered to criticize the final events of the movie with my friends. Or maybe the idiotic behavior of every character in the movie just overloaded my nag-o-meter and it needed to cool down. Try watching Alien right after Prometheus and keep track of all the things that the crews make right and wrong, then make an estimation about how horrible the new Blade Runner will be.
People who write sci fi should be forced to watch true life stories. That way they may come to learn that things can actually go wrong 'without', yes, let me say that word again, """without"""" someone doing/contributing something stupid to the situation. Actually, as strange as this may sound, in reality, a person can actually react to a situation by doing something very smart but everything still falls apart anyway! But I'm scared that confronting sci fi writers with such a strange and foreign concept may cause them to die of shock!! (extreme sarcasm alert)
So, when people make a sequel/prequel/reboot to a movie, that same movie ceases to exist for you?

P.S: And for those who don't know, you actually have the option to ignore them. Weird, right?
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SimonG: How exactly does a movie or game get worse by a sequel? Never understood that.
Me neither.

Can someone enlighten us? I hope it's more complicated than simple nostalgia shattering truth that one's old favourite maybe wasn't as epic as you want it to be..
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Nirth: Can someone enlighten us?
Didn't we already have this discussion little time age ?

Sequels often redefine the events of the previous movies, their characters, and their implied endings. They fill blanks which emptiness were a part of the first story's quality. When they do it badly, the response is to "ignore" the sequel. But this is a bit artificial, and fake, like ignoring the following chapter in a book, or the following volume, or the following episode in a series. The character's general, collective, consensual definition, is shaped by the whole series, so, you end up alone on you little island of denial, instead of sharing a story with the rest of its public.

You can choose -if it bothers you- to imagine that Holmes died for real in the Reichenbach falls, or that Ian Malcolm died in the Jurassic Park, or that James Bond lived forever married with Stacy, or whatever, if you decide to interrupt a story at the point where you want it. But it's a divorce from the biography of the characters as the authors resumed it, and as the public then knows it. If you discuss Holmes, you're just "wrong" claiming that he ended his life with Moriarty. It's not (collectively) true anymore. You can just go "for me, he did", ti which people can answer that yeah whatever, and go discuss Conan Doyle's work elsewhere.

Of course, this depends a bit on the legitimacy of the sequel (for instance, I think most people simply ignore "Casablanca 2", some works keep consensual unicity). But generally, the relation to the story is changed, as some specific "personal interpretation" is suddenly required. It's not nothing, it is an annoyance.
I guess I have too much of a ego to bother to care what others think of when a fiction should or shouldn't stop. After all, if a sequel or prequel is a good enough to enjoy, I enjoy it. Simple as that. I also think that I'm a bit of a cynic so I always expect a sequel or prequel to something that was well written (especially at that time it was both original and had its own way) to not live up to expectations.
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mondo84: The last thing I want is hack writer Damon Lindelof even coming close to anything remotely related to Blade Runner. His effect on Prometheus was bad enough. Terrible writing.
yeah! I was gonna post pretty much the same. As long as they get a good writer (bonus points if there's no producer pushing for dumb action in favor of characters) I think Ridley can pull a good sequel. In fact as little as I know it's more of a new movie taking place in the same universe than a "sequel".
Post edited October 16, 2012 by Tychoxi