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Posted October 20, 2012
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korell: ...therefore the kiss was part of the trilogy.
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AndyBuzz: And what makes you think that he didn't make things up as he went along? I was reading a thread in imdb (hey, I know but we talkin' about Star Wars here... whadayawant? Encyclopedia Britannica?), that in the rough draft the "there is another" would refer to a lost twin brother of Luke that would be the main character in the next trilogy. But personal issues and a change in focus made Lucas wrap things up much faster and the bro became a sis. Have no clue if it has any merit, but here ya go.
The very nature of creative work is to make things up. When he did it we can never know, but most likely the main plotlines were done beforehand and other details done as and when to flesh it out somewhat.

As for the kiss, you were making it seem as though it was done in the first film and so nothing to do with the trilogy.

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AndyBuzz: I have a strong feeling that initially he didn't even plan for a trilogy, what with the implied spark between princess Leia and Luke and a scene with them kissing.
So that is why I pointed out that it happened in the second film (just after Luke got released from the bacta tank, recovering from his time out in the cold harsh snow and ice of Hoth) meaning that it must have been part of the trilogy.
Posted October 20, 2012
I've just seen Prometheus.

It fucking sucks.
Posted October 20, 2012
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Alexrd: Just visit some Star Wars forums (or don't, if you don't want to waste time on an almost endless debate).
I was on a kotor forum many years ago, long enough to make a mod or two, but I left as I didn't like the forum moderation.

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Alexrd: See, this shows how much crap that movie is." And so the debate begins.
It's obvious at a glance that this is a debate of emotion, not reason. As such, discussion can't proceed much further than indicating one's views on the films.
Posted October 20, 2012
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korell: The very nature of creative work is to make things up....
Oh, I agree. What pisses me off is that they present that process as a perfect continuum with no inconsistencies, whatever the fuck for, and when someone points out its flaws they gets dismissed by a you-don't-get-it type of explanation. As someone that tries to find out the ins and outs of that process, I can't stand this kind of conceit.

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korell: As for the kiss, you were making it seem as though it was done in the first film and so nothing to do with the trilogy.
You are right, I wasn't very specific. I brought up the kiss as the extension of the first episode's portrayed attraction. Nevertheless the point stands. :)
Posted October 20, 2012
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AndyBuzz: What pisses me off is that they present that process as a perfect continuum with no inconsistencies,
Who are they?
Posted October 21, 2012
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Alexrd: Who are they?
Lol I meant the creator of the said work, be that a writer, director or software developer. And then those fans that, for some mysterious reason, draw satisfaction from repeating the notion as true and support it blindly.

Embrace your mistakes, I say. And then teach others about them.
Posted October 23, 2012
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korell: The very nature of creative work is to make things up....
I suppose it's no worse than that pretentious mess "Lost". I watched that damn show for 3 full seasons before realizing "There isn't going to BE a payoff, NONE of this tapestry of loose threads could POSSIBLY ever be rewoven back into something that makes sense". I like to say I gave up on the show the second Daniel Faraday took off his helmet after parachuting onto the island. Talk about a snooty fanbase. The show didn't answer a SINGLE of it's plot mysteries. They were simply artificial devices used to add the illusion of depth. All the show was in the end was a religious parable about faith, if it was about anything. The fact that in season 5 they just COMPLETELY demolished everything that happened before and revealed that the whole thing is all just a battle between two ancient rival gods was a slap in the face to anyone that ever watched anything. Such a dreadful show. At least with Lucas, you knew the fanfic movies were just cashins.
Post edited October 23, 2012 by anjohl
Posted October 23, 2012
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korell: The very nature of creative work is to make things up....
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anjohl: I suppose it's no worse than that pretentious mess "Lost". I watched that damn show for 3 full seasons before realizing "There isn't going to BE a payoff, NONE of this tapestry of loose threads could POSSIBLY ever be rewoven back into something that makes sense". I like to say I gave up on the show the second Daniel Faraday took off his helmet after parachuting onto the island. Talk about a snooty fanbase. The show didn't answer a SINGLE of it's plot mysteries. They were simply artificial devices used to add the illusion of depth. All the show was in the end was a religious parable about faith, if it was about anything. The fact that in season 5 they just COMPLETELY demolished everything that happened before and revealed that the whole thing is all just a battle between two ancient rival gods was a slap in the face to anyone that ever watched anything. Such a dreadful show. At least with Lucas, you knew the fanfic movies were just cashins.
Agreed. And it's no surprise that the very same flaws of Lost's writing were prevalent in Prometheus with Damon "the audience doesn't need to know so I'm going to smirk and act like I'm clever" Lindelof.
Posted October 23, 2012
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korell: The very nature of creative work is to make things up....
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anjohl: I suppose it's no worse than that pretentious mess "Lost". I watched that damn show for 3 full seasons before realizing "There isn't going to BE a payoff, NONE of this tapestry of loose threads could POSSIBLY ever be rewoven back into something that makes sense". I like to say I gave up on the show the second Daniel Faraday took off his helmet after parachuting onto the island. Talk about a snooty fanbase. The show didn't answer a SINGLE of it's plot mysteries. They were simply artificial devices used to add the illusion of depth. All the show was in the end was a religious parable about faith, if it was about anything. The fact that in season 5 they just COMPLETELY demolished everything that happened before and revealed that the whole thing is all just a battle between two ancient rival gods was a slap in the face to anyone that ever watched anything. Such a dreadful show. At least with Lucas, you knew the fanfic movies were just cashins.
Oboy, some people do miss obvious answer even if they aren't as obvious as common ones. :-)
Posted October 23, 2012
There's already precedent for a Blade Runner movie sequel, considering the Blade Runner computer game, which happens to be one of the most requested games on GOG.
Post edited October 23, 2012 by doady
Posted October 23, 2012
Well, there already is a sort of related film anyway:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(1998_American_film]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_(1998_American_film[/url])
Posted October 25, 2012
Nothing missed at all, except the 45+ hours I can never get back. There is nothing to "get", except that nothing is ever answered, nor matters. What, the bad guy physically moved.the island with a set of giant gears? Disregard that, just look at how pretty Kate is!

Naming.characters after philosophers and copious layers of obfuscation a good show does not make.
Posted October 25, 2012
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anjohl: Nothing missed at all, except the 45+ hours I can never get back. There is nothing to "get", except that nothing is ever answered, nor matters. What, the bad guy physically moved.the island with a set of giant gears? Disregard that, just look at how pretty Kate is!

Naming.characters after philosophers and copious layers of obfuscation a good show does not make.
You completely missed the point of the show. They didn't want to present actual answers but present them in a way so you can view it from many perspectives. For example, the best one is the black smoke. They never never said or implied what it it actually was but they gave us a lot of hints of what it could be. It's your imagination that is suppose to fill the blanks. Not to mention that show wasn't about answers or secrets of the universe but about how the characters dealt with the situation that was handed to them.

Plot holes can help fiction, only idiots need everything spelled out for them. No offense of course but sometimes you just miss that.
Posted October 25, 2012
All due respect, but I find that answer wishy washy at.best, and applogistic at worst.

The show was premised on the bringing together of these threads. To just ignore all of them does not elevaye the genre as so many claim.

Children of Men, that's how you use plot holes.
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