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Vagabond: Anyone can apply to be affiliated to GOG. It's quite simple, actually. Just need to sign a contract.

Can I be afiliated with GOG then?
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WWolf: As I see the main difference between us and you guys is that we usually like to back our claims, you know, it helps the argumentation a lot.

Oh yes, people here DO back up argumentation, they just don't see a reason why should they back up argumentation that is taking place ELSWHERE :D No one here needs reassurance that gog is great - apparently :D
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Vagabond: Anyone can apply to be affiliated to GOG. It's quite simple, actually. Just need to sign a contract.
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drmlessgames: Can I be afiliated with GOG then?

You need a site.
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WWolf: As I see the main difference between us and you guys is that we usually like to back our claims, you know, it helps the argumentation a lot.
Snip from one guy:
"What I do wonder about, is that the very same people who seethe and rage against non-free DLC, paid "premium content", microtransactions and other evil schemes (involving at least a minimal amount of creative content produced in process) of greedy corporate pigs to rob honest folk of their hard-earned cash - are all lining up like puppies to give GOG a sloppy blowjob for a chance to pay them cash for software created a long time ago by long-dead companies and people who went their own ways and won't get a cent for it, software that has been openly (if not technically "legally") available for free for a decade and more everywhere, with GOG's own involvement being limited to bundling a DOSbox shortcut with it. Is that an unhealthy fanboyish infatuation due to GOG opening up with The Most Holy Fallout, or plain hypocrisy?"
You may also notice that he isn't criticizing GOG per se.

Wait, showing your ignorance with lies and half-truths is backing up your posts? Damn, I'll need to lower my post quality a bit.
News flash to that guy - ALL games are available "openly (if not technically 'legally')" and GOG often does more than "bundl[e] a DOSbox shortcut with it". He just wants games for free regardless of legality - it's not surprising that he takes issue with GOG.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure many, quite possibly most, people at RPG Codex are fine, upstanding folk, but quite a few of the people in that thread are anything but that.
He, I'm behind GOG all the way because CDP is a company from my fatherland.
"...they just don't see a reason why should they back up argumentation that is taking place ELSWHERE :D..."
Sorry, I didn't notice that this thread isn't actually on the GOG forum and apparently wasn't made by a poster registered in the GOG forums. My mistake then.
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drmlessgames: Can I be afiliated with GOG then?
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michaelleung: You need a site.

I have one.
http://freewebs.com/drmlessgamesisademigod
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WWolf: Sorry, I didn't notice that this thread isn't actually on the GOG forum and apparently wasn't made by a poster registered in the GOG forums. My mistake then.

All righty, I'll have to go the 'longer way' then
Discussion (which people here discuss about and you might have noticed I do NOT agree with mindless bashing) is about something we are not directly involved in. Therefore giving valid arguments would be about as useful as doing so about some political decision, which we can't and mostly don't intend to change. Of course, we COULD do so, but since there's no-one here who'd disagree about greatness of GoG, there's no point to it. If some people from Codex came and started a civil discussion - well, I'm pretty sure arguments would pop up
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michaelleung: You need a site.
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drmlessgames: I have one.
http://freewebs.com/drmlessgamesisademigod

Not found. You'll need a proper site, with domains, and hosting and all. I'm not interested in this stuff though.
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WWolf: are all lining up like puppies to give GOG a sloppy blowjob for a chance to pay them cash for software created a long time ago by long-dead companies and people who went their own ways and won't get a cent for it, software that has been openly (if not technically "legally") available for free for a decade and more everywhere, with GOG's own involvement being limited to bundling a DOSbox shortcut with it. Is that an unhealthy fanboyish infatuation due to GOG opening up with The Most Holy Fallout, or plain hypocrisy?"
just because someone wasn't enforcing their rights, doesn't mean the game was legally free.
Besides, in many situations the developer is seeing cash money, like in the case of Fallout, interplay is receiving cash money for it. If it was bethesda's gig, there's no reason we wouldn't see other bethesda games on here.
Plus, I don't see where one can equate the tyranny of paid DLC vs a couple dollars for an old game that's DRM free.
I mean, the whole idea for me, for buying DRM free, is that you're telling other companies to screw off because they use DRM.
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Weclock: just because someone wasn't enforcing their rights, doesn't mean the game was legally free.

Thats the part I am having trouble with. It seems the main crux of the whole argument on that forum is that the M&M games were hosted by Abandonia and now that GOG is selling them Abandonia have taken their links down.
Firstly Abandonia are acting responsibly. They were supplying the game files for download as they were not available for sale. Now they are so Abandonia have removed them.
Secondly M&M has never actually been Abandonware. It never actually should have been there 'free' to download in the first place as M&M has always been owned by some publisher, therefore downloading it free was illegal.
All the arguments against GOG over there seem to end up with the same point. The game was free and now it isnt. My point is the game was never free in the first place.
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Delixe: Thats the part I am having trouble with. It seems the main crux of the whole argument on that forum is that the M&M games were hosted by Abandonia and now that GOG is selling them Abandonia have taken their links down.
Firstly Abandonia are acting responsibly. They were supplying the game files for download as they were not available for sale. Now they are so Abandonia have removed them.
Secondly M&M has never actually been Abandonware. It never actually should have been there 'free' to download in the first place as M&M has always been owned by some publisher, therefore downloading it free was illegal.
All the arguments against GOG over there seem to end up with the same point. The game was free and now it isnt. My point is the game was never free in the first place.

Those at Abandonia (of which I am a part of), are careful to avoid hosting any games which are sold anywhere.
I like to think the aim is to provide a resource for those games which would otherwise be forgotten, rather than just being a place for people to get free games. (of course I don't speak for the rest of the community!)
I'm there for the community more than anything else, which I like to think is as good as the GOG community.
The codex (like many forums) have a number of people who like to make their opinions known, and loudly too. It is a shame that they can't embrace the fact that there is a place (GOG) who are actively seeking to make older games available legally for anyone to play (and to make a profit of course, but the prices are pretty low!).
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Andy_Panthro: Those at Abandonia (of which I am a part of), are careful to avoid hosting any games which are sold anywhere.
I like to think the aim is to provide a resource for those games which would otherwise be forgotten, rather than just being a place for people to get free games. (of course I don't speak for the rest of the community!)
I'm there for the community more than anything else, which I like to think is as good as the GOG community.
The codex (like many forums) have a number of people who like to make their opinions known, and loudly too. It is a shame that they can't embrace the fact that there is a place (GOG) who are actively seeking to make older games available legally for anyone to play (and to make a profit of course, but the prices are pretty low!).

I've got an account at Abandonia myself, and I agree, the community is actually very good.
The thing about many of the Codex is that they don't issue themselves with I would call "petty morality issues". I don't use GoG instead of pirating the games because it makes me warm and fuzzy, but out of convenience and practicality.
They also have the general mentality and crowd that tends to pack around forums with minimal rules, which is seen on many of the random sections on the various #Chans around.
Some might find it outrageous (most seem to do so at first), but I find the entire thing to be rather entertaining. They're like an embodiment of a Blackadder-like hivemind; cynical and self-righteous as none-other, only caring about the self, and despising everything else.
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Andy_Panthro: Those at Abandonia (of which I am a part of), are careful to avoid hosting any games which are sold anywhere.
I like to think the aim is to provide a resource for those games which would otherwise be forgotten, rather than just being a place for people to get free games. (of course I don't speak for the rest of the community!)
I'm there for the community more than anything else, which I like to think is as good as the GOG community.
The codex (like many forums) have a number of people who like to make their opinions known, and loudly too. It is a shame that they can't embrace the fact that there is a place (GOG) who are actively seeking to make older games available legally for anyone to play (and to make a profit of course, but the prices are pretty low!).
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sheepdragon: I've got an account at Abandonia myself, and I agree, the community is actually very good.
The thing about many of the Codex is that they don't issue themselves with I would call "petty morality issues". I don't use GoG instead of pirating the games because it makes me warm and fuzzy, but out of convenience and practicality.
They also have the general mentality and crowd that tends to pack around forums with minimal rules, which is seen on many of the random sections on the various #Chans around.
Some might find it outrageous (most seem to do so at first), but I find the entire thing to be rather entertaining. They're like an embodiment of a Blackadder-like hivemind; cynical and self-righteous as none-other, only caring about the self, and despising everything else.

In other words, welcome to the Internet? You'll abhor your stay, but find yourself compelled to remain, anyway?
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Weclock: Besides, in many situations the developer is seeing cash money, like in the case of Fallout, interplay is receiving cash money for it.

In that case, it's not the developpers, it's those who own the rights. Caen Interplay is very different from the Fargo Interplay, and those who worked on the Fallout games are not seeing a penny.
Behind some of the stupidities of the thread, that's the one issue I find interesting: GOG sells a lot of game who were made available by those who now hold the rights to these games, not those who developped them. Basically you got people legally making money off the work of others, while those won't get anything more than what they got as part of their salary. If you read the thread on the KKKodex, most of the complaints aren't about the games not being free but the issue mentionned, and they'd likely pay for a re-issue made by the original authors.
Mind you, I'm still happy to see a market for those old games, which shows that there is still a demand for that kind of thing, and hopefully it will send a message to some developpers that there is money to be made by improving on those old designs, and not merely remaking as is or dumbing down.
But anyway flinging poo over the net is also fun.
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Weclock: Besides, in many situations the developer is seeing cash money, like in the case of Fallout, interplay is receiving cash money for it.
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Gragt: In that case, it's not the developpers, it's those who own the rights. Caen Interplay is very different from the Fargo Interplay, and those who worked on the Fallout games are not seeing a penny.
Behind some of the stupidities of the thread, that's the one issue I find interesting: GOG sells a lot of game who were made available by those who now hold the rights to these games, not those who developped them. Basically you got people legally making money off the work of others, while those won't get anything more than what they got as part of their salary.

And if they were still there, they still wouldn't get anything besides their usual paycheck. Because that's how the world works. You work for a company as a developer, you get paid for your work. The results of that work belong to the company, who may very well make millions off it, but you still just get your paycheck. The other side of the coin is that if the company loses millions instead, you also get your paycheck.
Some people may think that is not how it should be, but that is how it is. Arguing about it just shows a refusal to deal with reality.