I don't like you much.

No love lost.

this thread has turned really stupid in the last half hour

I have been rather critical of Gog lately but I haven't written them off yet (not by a long shot.) Growing pains are no surprise and I think it's still pretty early for regrets.

Look, typically if I want a game, I will buy it. Doesn't matter how draconian the DRM is, what the price is like, if the support is shit, etc. I shall have my PC gaming entertainment when I want it. Which is typically rare, since I am playing titles that I already own 90% of the time.

Despite that, I have respect for GOG as a solid DD because of the promises that they made. No DRM, simple and reasonable pricing, regular releasing of old games, frequent enough sales (taking into account the size of the catalogue) and extras (though I've never used a single extra). I like it how GOG is pioneering a customer-friendly approach despite pressure and denial from the rest of the industry. If these promises are broken, GOG will simply become another DD for me. I don't mind Steam - it's very comfortable for my lifestyle. The difference is that I was willing to support GOG because I had respect for them as a company as a result of how they treated their customers and how they were always championing consumer rights. I've never had any respect for Steam.

I just checked my shelf and I have 97 titles from GOG, including TW 1 + 2, the latter which I bought at release with no intention of playing it. Still haven't touched either TWs (they are at the back of my backlog). I've also gifted away 18 games. Minus the free games and what I've been gifted, I probably have ~100 games purchased from GOG. I've also bought duplicates on GOG of my favourite games that I already own on Steam.

I have 132 games on Steam, most of which have been bought for a couple of pounds.

I've been on GOG since 2010. I've been on Steam since 2003.
I put my money where my mouth is. I'd love to see GOG do the same.

I still don't like you much.

Amen, brother!

Hm let's see now:
Rollercoaster Tycoon 3 Platinum - 19.99$ (year 2006)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind® - 19.99$ (year 2002)
Quake IV - 19.99$ (year 2005)
Dungeon Siege III - 19.99$ (year 2011)

I don't see anyone having issues with this prices. Yes it is overpriced for sure,but yet GOG don't make the prices.

If you don't like the price - wait for a sale ...don't hate GOG on it ;)

and he said there's no love lost between you two , so obviously he doesn't give a shit, The conversation you're having is idiotic and pointless

I'm not sure how your analogy fits here, nor I do see what you're trying to argue. Frozen pizza is an inherently inferior product to freshly made pizza and is therefore cheaper.

There are two established points of view on this forum. Some, like me, would argue that you are buying a full product - game, disc, box and all (the boxed versions in new circulation only contain a PDF manual) - and from this perspective the argument would be that the boxed version is superior, yet it is cheaper than the alternative.

Others might say that all you're buying is the game and the disc is merely a means of transport to your computer, like a download. Not a POV I subscribe to, but OK. Humouring this for a second, that means you have the opportunity to buy the exact same product for half the price.

I'm not talking about bargain bin prices - the game is readily available as part of established budget game ranges such as Mastertronic in the UK and the Software Pyramide in Germany. This isn't bargain bin. I'm talking about the fact that you can get either a superior product or an identical for half the price under established sales conditions. This isn't a product that has been priced down to get rid of stock - these copies have been shipped to the retail stores with those reccommended retail prices. Software Pyramide titles in Germany always ship at 10 euros. Mastertronic games always ship at around the 7 pound price point.

It's like saying "why pay €2 for that fresh pizza when you can pay €5 for a frozen one"? And yes, in a perfect world, digital would be cheaper, and as you say, it's not, so why should I as a consumer buy digital when the superior product is cheaper?

I really dont understand all that whinning and crying. This is business for GOG and this is money-oriented world outside. I possess appox 30-40 titles on GOG, titles that I would never see again if not GOG! Old classics like Magic Carpet, new titles like Machinarium, all brought in decent prices and made me happy to play them. I possess as well many new games, from Skyrim to DOW2 and Napoleon TW. I have to admit these are completely different branches of computer enterntainment - old games are about fun, new games are about following the trend - mostly. GOG is fair more than any other DD company in my knowledge, doing research, care about our opinion and most of all - they seams to be so pro to get more and more games into range. I am happy to have games on my disc, can install them on my demand, can store them, can read articles about and print dvd-covers to put them on shelf. So from me - if the price is high like in this particular situation, I go around and buy other title if need. No to start doing some hate or dissapointment discussion. None is forced to buy games from GOG, we are free people. But as far as for today, they are fair beyond standards and I admire this page and all fun I was able to discover and rediscover.

To keep our long running retail vs. digital argument going (;-P):

The benefits or a digital distribution is not that your merely "get a game", but the service accompanied with it. With GOG, Steam, Origin and GG I have indefinite downloads everywhere I am, whenever I want. Especially Steam is very comfortable for me, as I can use it on my Laptop and Desktop without any hassle. And I can buy them at a whim and have them readily available.

That is also why I keep my digital releases on those services. Between those four, I have 95% of all PC games covered and always available.

That is also what I like least on my 3DS. Last week I felt the urge to play a JRPG again. Yet, I can only get them retail which would have taken at least a day (maybe even more) and as the weekend was coming up, I wasn't sure if the post would make it and I needed to be at home. What happened? I unpacked Chrono Trigger and gave it another go. If I could have bought FF IV or III digital, I would be playing that now.

I'll be moving in the next week, and I only have to carry one box of maybe 30 games (from back when I still bought retail, not 250+ games).

Therefore, digital distribution isn't merely "giving me a game", but it is offering me a service that retail can't provide.

Edit: I was trying to say that a proper digital service has more value to me than a box with a DVD.

You have already made that clear in the first post...
If the intent here is make Frater get angry, I don't think it'll work.

What was your opinion of Gog backpedaling on regional pricing of TW2? Do you hold Gog responsible for breaking a promise?

Why do you think Gog decided to price RT3 at $19.99? Or did they?

My hypothesis is they were unprepared for the sharks they now find themselves swimming with. I wouldn't be surprised if Gog honestly intended the new price points to apply only to new games while the publishers had different ideas.