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Posted June 21, 2012
The anti-hero with a symbiotic blade returns with a vengeance.

[url=http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/legacy_of_kain_soul_reaver_2]Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2, fallen vampire’s personal vendetta turned into a video game, is available on GOG.com right now for $5.99.

Just two months ago GOG.com released Soul Reaver and you had a chance to meet Raziel, a vampire-turned-wraith reanimated in the Spectral Realm by The Elder God in order to kill Kain. Well, the fight is not over as Raziel needs to go back through time and continue his quest to destroy the almighty vampiric lord. Soul Reaver 2 picks up at the moment Soul Reaver left off--you’ve chased down Kain to kill him, he’s gone through some sort of time portal. And now it’s time to settle the score. However cliche the story might seem, Soul Reaver 2, even though it’s a combat-focused third-person action adventure, offers a brilliantly written and very intelligent gothic story. The characters, interactions, and tension between them are deep and provide very satisfying interludes between the bread and butter of the game, which is devouring Raziel’s enemies as he makes his way to a reckoning with his creator.

With a great story, beautiful graphics, and a lot of puzzle / platforming elements, Soul Reaver 2 is something more than your usual action-oriented romp. Drift away and kill some extra-dimensional demons in Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2 for just $5.99 on GOG.com.
Posted June 24, 2012
Just started SR 2. Meh. As much as I enjoy the story, it has the usual issues with freezing due to the sounds. I hope there will be a fix to this?
Posted June 24, 2012
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Tantrix: Just started SR 2. Meh. As much as I enjoy the story, it has the usual issues with freezing due to the sounds. I hope there will be a fix to this?
You playing in WIndows 98 compat mode? Or set the affinity to use only 1 Core?

Those things seem to help freezing issue, well a lot of the time.
Posted June 24, 2012
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i666an: hi - ok I have added both SR to my wish list, but I am better to wait till I can get bloodomen ? is this the general feeling please ?
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kud13: it's not a "general feeling" (Says I, the biggest Advocate of Blood Omen)

it's not a general feeling simply because the series hit its commercial success stride with Soul Reaver, so most people will remember playing that and will recommend you to start with SR1.

That being said, BO1 is a real gem, with unparalleled atmosphere, and fun gameplay. And it is the launch point of the single greatest story in a game series ever. Although to be fair, SR2 does a pretty good job covering most of the key plot aspects you may have missed.

so, short answer is: no, you don't need to wait for BO1's release. Play SR 1, it is amazing, drink in the atmosphere and tone of the series. Then get SR2, and the best chapter in the best game series story ever written, but be aware that this comes at the expense of simplified gameplay.

then play the rest of the games as they are released.

Then join the ranks of those of us rabidly pleading with Squeenix to finish the damn story.
Now...its been a few years since Defiance, but didnt that wrap most things up pretty neatly? I actually started replaying the series. Got Blood Omen on my PS3 and will be playing the gog version of soul reaver afterwards. Looking forward to reliving one of my all time favorite game series!
Posted June 24, 2012
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kud13: it's not a "general feeling" (Says I, the biggest Advocate of Blood Omen)

it's not a general feeling simply because the series hit its commercial success stride with Soul Reaver, so most people will remember playing that and will recommend you to start with SR1.

That being said, BO1 is a real gem, with unparalleled atmosphere, and fun gameplay. And it is the launch point of the single greatest story in a game series ever. Although to be fair, SR2 does a pretty good job covering most of the key plot aspects you may have missed.

so, short answer is: no, you don't need to wait for BO1's release. Play SR 1, it is amazing, drink in the atmosphere and tone of the series. Then get SR2, and the best chapter in the best game series story ever written, but be aware that this comes at the expense of simplified gameplay.

then play the rest of the games as they are released.

Then join the ranks of those of us rabidly pleading with Squeenix to finish the damn story.
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berkvt: Now...its been a few years since Defiance, but didnt that wrap most things up pretty neatly? I actually started replaying the series. Got Blood Omen on my PS3 and will be playing the gog version of soul reaver afterwards. Looking forward to reliving one of my all time favorite game series!
No, Difiance ended the story of Raziel. With regards to (EDIT: how the hell do you spoiler stuff???

SPOILERS TO FOLLOW

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[spoilers] The Elder God, and Kain regaining his destiny (transferring the Pillars back to the vampires), and preventing the vampire genocide and destrruction of the Pillars ]The Elder God, and Kain regaining his destiny (transferring the Pillars back to the vampires), and preventing the vampire genocide and destrruction of the Pillars [/spoilers]

it didn't really do much.
Post edited June 24, 2012 by kud13
Posted June 25, 2012
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berkvt: Now...its been a few years since Defiance, but didnt that wrap most things up pretty neatly? I actually started replaying the series. Got Blood Omen on my PS3 and will be playing the gog version of soul reaver afterwards. Looking forward to reliving one of my all time favorite game series!
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kud13: No, Difiance ended the story of Raziel. With regards to (EDIT: how the hell do you spoiler stuff???

SPOILERS TO FOLLOW

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[spoilers] The Elder God, and Kain regaining his destiny (transferring the Pillars back to the vampires), and preventing the vampire genocide and destrruction of the Pillars ]The Elder God, and Kain regaining his destiny (transferring the Pillars back to the vampires), and preventing the vampire genocide and destrruction of the Pillars [/spoilers]

it didn't really do much.
You're probably right. Its too long since I've played the series (soon to be remedied). I just remember the fantastic finale of

SPOILERS INC!

killing the elder god, and raziel once again being kains right hand. It was just so browesome I was satisfied :P
Posted June 25, 2012
Oh about Elder God berkvt
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You don't actually kill him in Defiance. You fight him with Kain and basically prove he can now hurt him with the Reaver. Elder God tries to bring down the building to bury Kain but fails and basically retreats. The part of Elder God that Kain fights is just a very small piece of him. He stretches all over Nosgoth.

"Elder God: You cannot destroy me, Kain. I am the Engine of Life itself... the Wheel will turn. The plague of your kind will be purged from this world. And on that inevitable day, your wretched, stagnant soul will finally be mine! "

"Kain: In the meantime, you'd best burrow deep."
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Posted June 25, 2012
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Sequiro: Oh about Elder God berkvt
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You don't actually kill him in Defiance. You fight him with Kain and basically prove he can now hurt him with the Reaver. Elder God tries to bring down the building to bury Kain but fails and basically retreats. The part of Elder God that Kain fights is just a very small piece of him. He stretches all over Nosgoth.

"Elder God: You cannot destroy me, Kain. I am the Engine of Life itself... the Wheel will turn. The plague of your kind will be purged from this world. And on that inevitable day, your wretched, stagnant soul will finally be mine! "

"Kain: In the meantime, you'd best burrow deep."
Right. Well, in that case; Fudge.

Seeing as Amy is not at Crystal Dynamics anymore, and Tony Jay and Kyle Mannerberg are dead, I guess there wont be a proper ending. Which is a pity since its so extremely awesome.
Posted June 26, 2012
I know I will come off as a killjoy here, but shouldn't GOG be releasing only the most classic games in a series first, before releasing sequels? Obviously it's Blood Omen people want, so why not devote time and energy to restoring other classic titles, sitting on these sequels, while securing the rights to the original classic?

It just comes off as cheap, and a cash-in to me. Eidos in particular seem shady on here, since their Hitman games don't even include the breathtaking Jesper Kyd soundtracks, which would be the best reason to buy them.
Posted June 26, 2012
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anjohl: I know I will come off as a killjoy here, but shouldn't GOG be releasing only the most classic games in a series first, before releasing sequels? Obviously it's Blood Omen people want, so why not devote time and energy to restoring other classic titles, sitting on these sequels, while securing the rights to the original classic?

It just comes off as cheap, and a cash-in to me. Eidos in particular seem shady on here, since their Hitman games don't even include the breathtaking Jesper Kyd soundtracks, which would be the best reason to buy them.
So they should sit on the entire series for one game that may not EVER be released here due to different rights to the series? Where they have the rights to the rest and the series can be played and enjoyed without the first entry? The Soul Reaver series doesn't require Blood Omen to understand. Your logic is flawed.

And actually I wanted Soul Reaver 2 more than any, I have the retail I don't NEED that entry. I didn't have Soul Reaver 2 and needed it to complete my PC LOK collection.
Post edited June 26, 2012 by Sequiro
Posted June 26, 2012
Noone buys a cow if they are getting the milk for free.
Posted June 27, 2012
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anjohl: Noone buys a cow if they are getting the milk for free.
You theorize that Eidos is being shady. Eidos may not even be responsible for Blood Omen not being here yet. Blood Omen was made by Silicon Knights and published by Activision (PC) and Crystal Dynamics (Console). The rest of the series was made by Crystal Dynamics and Eidos published them.

GOG makes a deal with Eidos and the Eidos LoK games start being released. However the one oddball from a different company does not.

Suddenly in your eyes its a conspiracy to release "the stuff that people don't really want" and not the more logical option that its a rights issue that may or may not ever be resolved.

And as far as everyone wanting Blood Omen more. I would say more people have probably played Soul Reaver 1 than Blood Omen 1. Most people were introduced to the series with Soul Reaver (I included)
Posted June 29, 2012
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anjohl: It just comes off as cheap, and a cash-in to me. Eidos in particular seem shady on here, since their Hitman games don't even include the breathtaking Jesper Kyd soundtracks, which would be the best reason to buy them.
Personally I can imagine that with Hitman it's a special case where GOG would have to make a special agreement with Kyd himself. Especially the soundtrack of the first game was a special case in that it took Kyd a lot of effort to turn it into something you can simply listen to (it was originally based on his own tracker format, the pieces did not have a solid structure but developed depending on where you are in the level, in a few cases they changed after something important happened - additionally the quality was too bad for a CD release). He explained the problem in an interview once because people asked him why only the Hitman 2 soundtrack was available at the time. Additionally both soundtracks contain pieces that could not be found in the games. So yeah, I believe that without making arrangements with him neither GOG nor Square Enix can do anything about it (and perhaps this would result in a higher price since the package would include stuff that many fans have paid a lot of money for - including me).
Post edited June 29, 2012 by F4LL0UT
Posted June 30, 2012
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anjohl: It just comes off as cheap, and a cash-in to me. Eidos in particular seem shady on here, since their Hitman games don't even include the breathtaking Jesper Kyd soundtracks, which would be the best reason to buy them.
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F4LL0UT: Personally I can imagine that with Hitman it's a special case where GOG would have to make a special agreement with Kyd himself. Especially the soundtrack of the first game was a special case in that it took Kyd a lot of effort to turn it into something you can simply listen to (it was originally based on his own tracker format, the pieces did not have a solid structure but developed depending on where you are in the level, in a few cases they changed after something important happened - additionally the quality was too bad for a CD release). He explained the problem in an interview once because people asked him why only the Hitman 2 soundtrack was available at the time. Additionally both soundtracks contain pieces that could not be found in the games. So yeah, I believe that without making arrangements with him neither GOG nor Square Enix can do anything about it (and perhaps this would result in a higher price since the package would include stuff that many fans have paid a lot of money for - including me).
Well, how much you paid for it in the past has no bearing on anything, and I can't see how they can have the rights to sell the game without an isolated score. But, I am no legal expert admittedly.
Posted June 30, 2012
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anjohl: Well, how much you paid for it in the past has no bearing on anything, and I can't see how they can have the rights to sell the game without an isolated score. But, I am no legal expert admittedly.
Well, there is no solid rule as to how this kind of stuff is handled. There are cases where the publisher keeps all the rights to the music so the original composer does not have the option to sell it separately (I read somewhere that this was the case with the early Tomb Raider soundtracks), then there's obviously cases where a composer seems to retain pretty much all the rights to his own creations and probably gets a lot of additional income from selling them separately (Chris Hülsbeck?). And Jesper Kyd for example has used one melody in two or three different games that aren't related to each other (the melody from Blood Money's "Apocalypse" can already be heard in "Amok") - so who knows, maybe the next Hitman composer cannot reuse it but Kyd can in a totally different franchise. Without official statements one can only guess how the specific situation is. But I think that we can safely assume that GOG would provide the Hitman soundtracks if things were that easy.
Post edited June 30, 2012 by F4LL0UT
Posted June 30, 2012
just FYI, Eidos is now Squeenix. So, they can't be resonsible for not putting the game up.

and i'm pretty sure that after a protracted legal battle Silicon Knights lost all their rights to the Legacy of Kain IP to Crystal Dynamics. So I'm not sure that blaming Activision is the way to go in this particular case.
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