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Posted February 05, 2013
Harness the power of Ether!

Etherlords 2, a fantastic mix of strategy, RPG, and trading-card game mechanics set in a colorful and diverse fantasy world, is available on GOG.com, for only $5.99.

If you are familiar to the world of [url=http://www.gog.com/gamecard/etherlords]Etherlords (we have released the first game in the series a couple of months ago), than you know what to expect and you're probably summoning, enchanting, and generally ensorcelling right now. However, if you didn't have a chance to play the first part, it's high time to find out why so many fans of fantasy turn-based tactical combat spend dozens of hours exploring the magical Etherworld. Etherlords 2 is, simply saying, a mix of Magic: The Gathering and Heroes of Might and Magic. You control a single hero through one of five non-linear campaigns for different races. Your hero accumulates an army, experience, skills, and abilities, which he can later use during the most important part of the game--challenging tactical battles with hundreds of units and spells. Since every race uses different cards and units, expect a lot of variety and prepare for some tough decisions when deciding how to approach each different opponent.

If you're looking for tactical depth with eye-catching graphics and some decent voice acting and are willing to sacrifice a decent chunk of your free time to create a perfect deck, than don't waste time and buy Etherlords 2 right now on GOG.com for only $5.99.
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: and that's cheating.
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keeveek: No, it's not. In card games, levels are usually constructed that way. In duels of planeswalkers or spectromancer etc on later levels your enemy has more hp than you, has better cards than you, has some special card you can't have etc etc.

this is how card games are played on PC, at least every card game I have ever played. If people have problems with that, they may weep in the corner alone :P
/weep
Post edited February 06, 2013 by dirtyharry50
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: and that's cheating.
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keeveek: No, it's not. In card games, levels are usually constructed that way. In duels of planeswalkers or spectromancer etc on later levels your enemy has more hp than you, has better cards than you, has some special card you can't have etc etc.

this is how card games are played on PC, at least every card game I have ever played. If people have problems with that, they may weep in the corner alone :P
I think you missed the point. It's not about that they have more experience, better cards, more mines and gardens and so one - it's a challenge as well. The problem is that they are silently doing some illegal stuff or you are handicapped. Read Luned post once again - it happened to me as well. I started the battle several times and my starting deck was the same every time. Not very probable, don't you think? And the other thing: I fought enemy hero with my greenhorn. And he (the enemy) didn't regenerate at all (yeah, I mannered to hit him once, at the very beginning of the battle). Just after that I attacked him with my main hero and suddenly he had Regeneration level three. You can't tell me that killing level 1 hero earned him so many XPs that he could acquire it legally. I would call it CHEATING!
Posted February 06, 2013
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keeveek: No, it's not. In card games, levels are usually constructed that way. In duels of planeswalkers or spectromancer etc on later levels your enemy has more hp than you, has better cards than you, has some special card you can't have etc etc.

this is how card games are played on PC, at least every card game I have ever played. If people have problems with that, they may weep in the corner alone :P
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Ghorpm: I think you missed the point. It's not about that they have more experience, better cards, more mines and gardens and so one - it's a challenge as well. The problem is that they are silently doing some illegal stuff or you are handicapped. Read Luned post once again - it happened to me as well. I started the battle several times and my starting deck was the same every time. Not very probable, don't you think? And the other thing: I fought enemy hero with my greenhorn. And he (the enemy) didn't regenerate at all (yeah, I mannered to hit him once, at the very beginning of the battle). Just after that I attacked him with my main hero and suddenly he had Regeneration level three. You can't tell me that killing level 1 hero earned him so many XPs that he could acquire it legally. I would call it CHEATING!
So the challenge is beating the bastard cheating AI then? Umm, is it fun?

By the way, was that Etherlords II with the decks being the same each replay?
Post edited February 06, 2013 by dirtyharry50
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: I think you missed the point. It's not about that they have more experience, better cards, more mines and gardens and so one - it's a challenge as well. The problem is that they are silently doing some illegal stuff or you are handicapped. Read Luned post once again - it happened to me as well. I started the battle several times and my starting deck was the same every time. Not very probable, don't you think? And the other thing: I fought enemy hero with my greenhorn. And he (the enemy) didn't regenerate at all (yeah, I mannered to hit him once, at the very beginning of the battle). Just after that I attacked him with my main hero and suddenly he had Regeneration level three. You can't tell me that killing level 1 hero earned him so many XPs that he could acquire it legally. I would call it CHEATING!
But isn't it like your deck is shuffled once after battle, so you can't cheat with reloading a couple times to get better cards? ;P Because that's cheating, you know? ;P
Post edited February 06, 2013 by keeveek
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: I think you missed the point. It's not about that they have more experience, better cards, more mines and gardens and so one - it's a challenge as well. The problem is that they are silently doing some illegal stuff or you are handicapped. Read Luned post once again - it happened to me as well. I started the battle several times and my starting deck was the same every time. Not very probable, don't you think? And the other thing: I fought enemy hero with my greenhorn. And he (the enemy) didn't regenerate at all (yeah, I mannered to hit him once, at the very beginning of the battle). Just after that I attacked him with my main hero and suddenly he had Regeneration level three. You can't tell me that killing level 1 hero earned him so many XPs that he could acquire it legally. I would call it CHEATING!
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keeveek: But isn't it like your deck is shuffled once after battle, so you can't cheat with reloading a couple times to get better cards? ;P Because that's cheating, you know? ;P
I thought that was metagaming or something... lol
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: I think you missed the point. It's not about that they have more experience, better cards, more mines and gardens and so one - it's a challenge as well. The problem is that they are silently doing some illegal stuff or you are handicapped. Read Luned post once again - it happened to me as well. I started the battle several times and my starting deck was the same every time. Not very probable, don't you think? And the other thing: I fought enemy hero with my greenhorn. And he (the enemy) didn't regenerate at all (yeah, I mannered to hit him once, at the very beginning of the battle). Just after that I attacked him with my main hero and suddenly he had Regeneration level three. You can't tell me that killing level 1 hero earned him so many XPs that he could acquire it legally. I would call it CHEATING!
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keeveek: But isn't it like your deck is shuffled once after battle, so you can't cheat with reloading a couple times to get better cards? ;P Because that's cheating, you know? ;P
No, it's not - sometimes loading did change the deck. Sometimes not. I have no idea why it's so. I loaded it several times just to test what Luned said. In my case it was mostly connected with the Dark Forest enchantment. If my enemy used a lot of low power monsters I rarely got it early (after reloading it happened sometimes). But if he relied on 3+ power monsters I ALWAYS had several Dark Forest cards at the very beginning of the battle. Reloading didn't change it. Coincidence? But I have to admit - it's not very clear situation, there is a possibility of misinterpretation so it is arguable. But changing skills, however, is not - it's a clear evidence of cheating.
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: I have no idea why it's so.
Static random seed possibly? Meaning that there is a set random results, and the same actions will always produce the same result?
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: I have no idea why it's so.
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JMich: Static random seed possibly? Meaning that there is a set random results, and the same actions will always produce the same result?
I prefer to thing it's just cheating AI. Come on, pseudorandom number generators were nicely developed AGES ago and they are perfectly reliable to avoid such a situation. If they botched it up... well they would have to be a bunch of a total amateurs. I really prefer to think it was just cheating ;)
Posted February 06, 2013
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JMich: Static random seed possibly? Meaning that there is a set random results, and the same actions will always produce the same result?
Hmm... It might be it, because if you buy a new card in between, it will produce a different result, as far as I remember.
Posted February 06, 2013
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JMich: Static random seed possibly? Meaning that there is a set random results, and the same actions will always produce the same result?
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keeveek: Hmm... It might be it, because if you buy a new card in between, it will produce a different result, as far as I remember.
I still think it's not. My theory is that game testers realized the game is poorly balanced. Take Vitals as an example. Do you realize that a simple combo Dark Forest + Hornet is unstoppable in the first missions? I defeated level 7 hero with level 1 greenhorn but my deck consisted of only those two cards. Dark Forest granted immunity at the beginning of the battle and I produced enough hornets to block future attacks. I only needed one or two hornets to attack myself because my opponent couldn't block them (he didn't have flying units). Not pretty but simple and effective. I guess there were so many problems that they tried to cancel it with some non-so-random shuffling of the deck ;)
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: snip
I need to play this game again, it seems my memory about the first part is rather vague :P But I agree E2 is much better game :D
Posted February 06, 2013
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Ghorpm: snip
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keeveek: I need to play this game again, it seems my memory about the first part is rather vague :P But I agree E2 is much better game :D
I'm playing E1 right now ;) I also agree that E2 was much better but I think they made the same error. The very principle of a card game is that your deck should be diverse and in Etherlords (both I think but I cannot be sure about the second - I played long time ago) the right combination of two or three low-level cards can beat almost everything. That's not good.

AFAIR the best races were Vitals with Forest+Hornets combo and Chaots with orcs.
Posted February 08, 2013
I expected this game.
Posted February 09, 2013
How's the replayability and depth? Could it stand toe to toe with HoMM 3?

Looks interesting
Posted February 09, 2013
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towerbooks3192: Could it stand toe to toe with HoMM 3?
Are you kidding? Not at all! It's not that Etherlords 2 is bad game - far from that, it's a very good one but it's not even the same league...

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towerbooks3192: How's the replayability and depth?
It is pretty nice actually. I won't spoil anything but it's sufficient to say that at the beginning of the campaign you may choose one of two races. After you finish it you get to choose another two completely different races (it doesn't matter what you chose at the beginning) And then you have the third campaign. Your choices there are minor, but there are some differences. So after playing the game twice we may say they you played every possible race. But it doesn't mean that the replayability ends here. Far from that - it's a card game and your deck is pretty diverse. There are tons of different combinations are strategies and it's fun to test them all!

About the story - I liked it. Mostly because those three campaigns are connected - in the third one you will finally understand what actually happened in the first and the second. I will not say anything more...

I can wholeheartedly recommend the game. It's not a masterpiece but a good choice for those you like card strategy games.
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