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Posted December 06, 2012
Run-n-gun like it's 1990s!

Duke Nukem 1+2, a bundle of two classic 1990s run-and-gun platformers that sparked into a flame of legend, is now available on GOG.com, for only $5.99.

We are not alone in the Universe. In fact, it's swarming with evil alien monsters. The only goal in their existence is to invade our planet, steal our stuff and eat us. Earth isn't doing so well either. Mad scientists hell-bent on world domination. Doomsday devices are a dime a dozen. So, if you were wondering why we're not living under the rule of a crazy scientist and his cybernetic army, or why haven't we been all eaten by aliens--you should know who to thank for all that. Duke Nukem. The bishop of badassery.

Released in the early 1990s, the Duke Nukem 1+2 games defined the standards for the run-and-gun platformer genre on the PC. But not only that. They did much more. They started the career of one of the gaming's most iconic heroes: Duke Nukem. Being great platformers on their own, full of creative level design, exceptional ideas, and tongue-in-cheek humor, they still provide bucketloads of prime entertainment. Before Duke Nukem went 3D, he totally rocked the 2D. Here's your chance to see it for yourself!

Find out why Duke's autobiography was titled "Why I'm so Great", get Duke Nukem 1+2 for only $5.99!
Posted December 06, 2012
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kuroiXiru: Because nostalgia. Which is pretty much what this whole site is about.
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keeveek: Normally, I wouldn't agree. Most of the games I bought on GOG are amazing till today.

But Duke 1 and 2 were never amazing. I think most people say "wow" just because it's Duke. The truth is, nobody would even remotely remember about Duke and these game if Duke 3D wasn't that successful.
Well certainly not every game on GOG is going to be great or even "good". I think sometimes appealing to people's nostalgia is okay, and maybe even more if there's some historical value in the games.
Posted December 06, 2012
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keeveek: ]Normally, I wouldn't agree. Most of the games I bought on GOG are amazing till today.

But Duke 1 and 2 were never amazing. I think most people say "wow" just because it's Duke. The truth is, nobody would even remotely remember about Duke and these game if Duke 3D wasn't that sucessful.
But that's the thing. Nostalgia is an emotional attachment to a game. It's not rational. The actual quality of the game has nothing to do with it - if someone, as a kid, played a game and enjoyed it, all he or she will remember is the good times that were had, regardless of how good the game actually was.
Posted December 06, 2012
Ahhh yeah that's what I meant, kinda like World of Xeen and Wizardry 7. I think there's something charming about the 2D sprites billboarded into 3D environments, even if they do look flat, or maybe it's just nostalgia
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Posted December 06, 2012
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keeveek: But Duke 1 and 2 were never amazing. I think most people say "wow" just because it's Duke. The truth is, nobody would even remotely remember about Duke and these game if Duke 3D wasn't that sucessful.
Duke Nukem 1, Commander Keen: Goodbye Galaxy and Arcade Volleyball were (IIRC) the first PC games I ever played (I was an Amiga guy before then). I still have much more fun with Duke 1 to this day than I've ever had playing Duke 3D. Nostalgia can be a very powerful thing. Also, if memory serves, DN1 was pretty succesful back in the day and spent some time at the top of the shareware best seller charts.
Posted December 06, 2012
*bows to computer screen*

Oh. My. Fucking. God. Christmas *is* coming after all. Duke Nukem 2 is truly awesome and both games are a vivid part of my teenagehood. I suck really bad at playing them, can't get past the first few stages but IT'S GOOD.

I think everyone agrees that Contra is an example of a great shooter, but In my opinion these are better than Contra because the levels are much more elaborate and there's power ups galore.

I'm affraid of rating this because they really deserved 5 stars when released (particularly Duke Nukem 2). Nowadays DN2 is a solid 4 only because it's somewhat dated in terms of pace and level design (Duke Nukem 1 suffers more because of the poor sound for today's standards).

Anyway, what a great release! What took you guys so long?!
Posted December 06, 2012
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kuroiXiru: But that's the thing. Nostalgia is an emotional attachment to a game. It's not rational. The actual quality of the game has nothing to do with it - if someone, as a kid, played a game and enjoyed it, all he or she will remember is the good times that were had, regardless of how good the game actually was.
As I've said - some older games are beyond that. I never ever played Ultima IV, Ultima Underworld, any Wing Commander games, Die by the sword, MAster of Magis / Orgion or SimCity 2000 - and I was astonished by them when I first bought them and played thanks to GOG.

Duke 1 and 2 are as far as possible from being that kind of game :P Jazz Jackrabbit games are way, way better. :P
Post edited December 06, 2012 by keeveek
Posted December 06, 2012
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F4LL0UT: Edit: Reminds me: I must have my Game Boy Color lying around somewhere with Duke Nukem for that one. Was my favourite Game Boy game and in fact I preferred it over Duke 1 & 2 on PC... heresy, I know.
Anyone knows of other ports of these games? For the PSP or PS3 perhaps?
Posted December 06, 2012
IIRC, these games were bundled with the disc version of Duke Nukem 3D: Atomic Edition. So, even in the mid-90's, they were considered a bit too cruddy to be anything but disc goodies.

That said, it's nice seeing more Apogee games in the GOG library.
Post edited December 06, 2012 by farlark
Posted December 06, 2012
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kuroiXiru: Because nostalgia. Which is pretty much what this whole site is about.
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keeveek: Normally, I wouldn't agree. Most of the games I bought on GOG are amazing till today.

But Duke 1 and 2 were never amazing. I think most people say "wow" just because it's Duke. The truth is, nobody would even remotely remember about Duke and these game if Duke 3D wasn't that sucessful.
Nostalgia explains why many people like many games, but I think DN2 is very playable even today, if you're into side-scrolling sht'em'ups. I'm not a fan of the genre and even I like this one. Anyway, none of them compare to DN3D, if you're suggesting that.

But you definitely can't say no one considered these games good back in the days, otherwise they wouldn't have spawned any sequels. DN1 is a simple game that led to a better DN2 and to a masterpiece soon afterwards.
Posted December 06, 2012
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RafaelLopez: But you definitely can't say no one considered these games good back in the days, otherwise they wouldn't have spawned any sequels. DN1 is a simple game that led to a better DN2 and to a masterpiece soon afterwards.
Not really. These were different times when one shitty game could lead to tons of even shittier sequels. Production costs were lower, you know.

Well, maybe it's anti-nostalgia that kicks in in my case - I hated Duke Nukem 1 from the first sight. Earthworm Jim and Jazz Jackrabbit or even Super Frog are far better games.
Posted December 06, 2012
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farlark: a bit too cruddy
I think certain genres apparently never worked well with the PC. All PC scrolling platformers feel cruddy in my opinion compared to console counterparts. With first person shooters it was the opposite.
Posted December 06, 2012
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keeveek: Well, maybe it's anti-nostalgia that kicks in in my case - I hated Duke Nukem 1 from the first sight. Earthworm Jim and Jazz Jackrabbit or even Super Frog are far better games.
I was telling the other guy how platoformers and other genres (fighting) had a hard time to catch on the PC. In 91 Sonic 1 was released and everyone can agree it was technically ("everythingly") much superior to poor Duke Nukem 1.

Earthworm Jim is great but *could* be compared to Duke Nukem 2 (which is much more solid). Both are from 94.

Ok GOG, now give me Wacky Wheels and Apogee is pretty much covered up for me! Thanks.

PS.: watched a video of Wacky Wheels, and it felt choppy as hell, nothing compared to Mario Kart. I don't know if the problem was with the frame rate of the video or the original frame rate of the game itself, but it made me shiver.
Post edited December 06, 2012 by RafaelLopez
Posted December 06, 2012
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Darling_Jimmy: How long has GOG been sitting on these?
"Sitting" on them? Not long at all. I believe they were completely ready to release about two or three weeks ago, which is when we dropped them into the schedule. We don't go out of our way to prepare things and then taunt you with them. ;)
Posted December 06, 2012
Where is SimCity 3000 and Emperor Rise of The Middle Kingdom!!!!!!
Posted December 06, 2012
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RafaelLopez: But you definitely can't say no one considered these games good back in the days, otherwise they wouldn't have spawned any sequels. DN1 is a simple game that led to a better DN2 and to a masterpiece soon afterwards.
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keeveek: Not really. These were different times when one shitty game could lead to tons of even shittier sequels. Production costs were lower, you know.

Well, maybe it's anti-nostalgia that kicks in in my case - I hated Duke Nukem 1 from the first sight. Earthworm Jim and Jazz Jackrabbit or even Super Frog are far better games.
The problem with Comparing Duke Nukem 1 with these games you name, is that they are different time "eras" Duke Nukem 1 came out in 1991 to compare it witha game that came out in 1994 is a bit unfair. The closest compare one can do with the titles you name is Duke Nukem II and Superfrog, Both came out in 1993, and then it came out on 2 different systems (Superfrog was released first on the amiga, and then in 1994 on DOS), for me only playing both recently for the first time (superfrog on Dos, used to play it on the amiga), I would say Duke Nukem II is a better game for dos, Superfrog felt like a quick hack to get it to run on dos with dos's limitations that the Amiga didn't had.
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RafaelLopez: Ok GOG, now give me Wacky Wheels and Apogee is pretty much covered up for me! Thanks.

PS.: watched a video of Wacky Wheels, and it felt choppy as hell, nothing compared to Mario Kart. I don't know if the problem was with the frame rate of the video or the original frame rate of the game itself, but it made me shiver.
Whacky Wheels never stuttered on me, when I ran it back in the day, even on dosbox I get perfect playback
Post edited December 06, 2012 by te_lanus
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