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Posted December 01, 2014
Plentiful by any definition!

Agarest: Generations of War - Collector's Edition, a fantastic kawaii tactical RPG coming with a full soundtrack, digital artbook, and more sweet, sweet bonus content, is available 50% off, DRM-free on GOG.com. With such a discount we don't see a good reason to pass on the collector's version, and get the cheaper regular edition, but if you make that call remember that you can always go for an upgrade later. The -50% discount for all three items (collectors edition, standard edition, and collector's edition upgrade) lasts until Monday, December 8, at 10:59AM GMT.

Agarest: Generations of War - Collector's Edition includes many unique features that cannot be found in any other Strategy Role Playing Game. It takes place across 5 generations of heroes, starting with your first character, Leonhardt. During each generation you will build relationships with 3 different female party members, and at the end of each generation's story arc you must choose to marry one of the girls. Unite with your chosen heroine and use the “Soul Breed” system to shape the fate of the next generation of heroes. Build your ultimate army of warriors and master Extra Skills, Special Arts and Over Kills to defeat colossal enemies! Choose the path of Darkness or Light through a truly epic story, spanning multiple generations, and battle hundreds of different creatures using an array of character abilities, in a compelling and innovative turn-based combat system.
Posted December 01, 2014
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TurnipSlayerr: Additional DLCs do complicate matters more for us and do clutter the catalogue. We felt that based on reactions to other DLC releases that the reaction to such DLC would not be positive and so we decided not to include it for the release. If people feel strongly about this then they can feel free to comment here. If we feel that there is a significant enough interest in such DLCs then we may reconsider this.
Thanks for explaining a bit more. That does sound understandable.

I know there's differing opinions on the matter. Same as the 'shovelware' argument, I personally feel I'd rather have it available so I can opt out of buying on my own terms rather than a storefront 'filtering' content for me, leaving me without the option entirely. But there's arguments to both sides, and particularly for GOG, for now at least, I can see how a slew of DLC is probably not considered beneficial, for a number of reasons.
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omega64: Clearly it's not. :P
Managed to amend the 'is not' to 'should not be' before you quoted me :p
Post edited December 01, 2014 by Pheace
Posted December 01, 2014
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cataclism: Of course not. Steam itself is DRM. Even those games that some call drm-free because they don't require steam running to play them still require steam to install. Which is still DRM at the end of the day.
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Pheace: Only the install/download which on Steam is pretty much the same thing, after that you never need Steam again (for those games).

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TurnipSlayerr: For people wondering about some missing DLCs, it's essentially as some people are saying, these DLCs which we don't have are things such as stat increases or other items which are unlockable in-game. We decided not to go with these DLCs as they don't actually add significant new content to the game
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Pheace: You're making the decision whether these people get to buy those DLC or not based on what you think of those DLC? Shouldn't that be up to the customers?
You need Steam for updating these games. So you still need the Client.

I'm really pleased that GOG decided to not include these DLCs. Get your ass up and play for victory. Don't pay for it like in all these pay2win crap.
Post edited December 01, 2014 by Silverhawk170485
Posted December 01, 2014
Phantasy Star series had multiple generations and those are really old games. So, Agarest didn't invent the wheel. Still, an enjoyable series.

As for DLC's, cheats or not, it should be the customer that would decide if they want them or not. And maybe a small warning that the Collector's Edition doesn't have those DLC's would be informative for anyone that wants to buy the game. I hate cheat DLC's, but i think that the customer should have the choice to buy them or not.

Those being said, i'm glad that more japanese games are coming on GOG. So, thanks for a rather decent game.
Posted December 01, 2014
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TurnipSlayerr: Additional DLCs do complicate matters more for us and do clutter the catalogue. We felt that based on reactions to other DLC releases that the reaction to such DLC would not be positive and so we decided not to include it for the release. If people feel strongly about this then they can feel free to comment here. If we feel that there is a significant enough interest in such DLCs then we may reconsider this.
Yet another reason why I love GoG :)

I know some people aren't fond of the curated store approach, but I would much rather these pointless DLCs weren't included.

On top of anything else it means the Devs won't get any money from they're sale (here anyway) and might be persuaded to stop bothering with such rubbish in the future. It's not likely I know, but worth a try.
Posted December 01, 2014
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Silverhawk170485: You need Steam for updating these games. So you still need the Client.
Depends on the game. Some games have stand alone patches that you can apply, some games have already had all their necessary patches.

Every game has 3 stages that can be DRM'd. Delivery, Installation, Execution. Steam skips the installation part, always has DRM'd delivery, and the execution can be either DRM'd or DRM-Free. My personal criteria to claim a game is DRM-Free is the execution part, though that may differ for others. There are multiple other threads with the very same discussion if you are interested in reading more.
Posted December 01, 2014
So glad there`s a non-Steam version. I have a weird itch for a FF7 type JRP without Steam attached. BUYING!
Posted December 01, 2014
Has anyone played this game before? What is it like?
Posted December 01, 2014
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Silverhawk170485: You need Steam for updating these games. So you still need the Client.
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JMich: Depends on the game. Some games have stand alone patches that you can apply, some games have already had all their necessary patches.

Every game has 3 stages that can be DRM'd. Delivery, Installation, Execution. Steam skips the installation part, always has DRM'd delivery, and the execution can be either DRM'd or DRM-Free. My personal criteria to claim a game is DRM-Free is the execution part, though that may differ for others. There are multiple other threads with the very same discussion if you are interested in reading more.
maybe he meant these games in particular....
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tootbrush: Nice to see Ghostlight on the GOG train. :) Hopefully we'll get more of their games.

I've heard the first Agarest isn't that great (since it's basically just battle after battle after battle and very little substance), but I think I'll actually buy the game in support of getting more Japanese games on GOG.
i read it was otherway around?
Post edited December 01, 2014 by Niggles
Posted December 01, 2014
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Niggles: maybe he meant these games in particular....
Possible. I saw his post as a reply to Pheace who was explaining that there are DRM-Free games on Steam, so I clarified based on that assumption. No idea about whether Agarest on Steam requires Steam to run or not.
Posted December 01, 2014
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cataclism: Of course not. Steam itself is DRM. Even those games that some call drm-free because they don't require steam running to play them still require steam to install. Which is still DRM at the end of the day.
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Pheace: Only the install/download which on Steam is pretty much the same thing, after that you never need Steam again (for those games).
That's exactly what I said but that's not of much use. You still need steam and a steam account with game on it to install the game again if you decido to uninstall or get a new PC. If steam ever goes away (unlikely at this point but it could happen) or for some reason you lose access to your account you will no longer be able to access the game. This to me is still DRM.
For gog for example this doesn't happen. You get a standalone fully capable installer so even if gog disappears you won't lose your games.
Post edited December 01, 2014 by cataclism
Posted December 01, 2014
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TurnipSlayerr: Additional DLCs do complicate matters more for us and do clutter the catalogue. We felt that based on reactions to other DLC releases that the reaction to such DLC would not be positive and so we decided not to include it for the release. If people feel strongly about this then they can feel free to comment here. If we feel that there is a significant enough interest in such DLCs then we may reconsider this.
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adaliabooks: Yet another reason why I love GoG :)

I know some people aren't fond of the curated store approach, but I would much rather these pointless DLCs weren't included.

On top of anything else it means the Devs won't get any money from they're sale (here anyway) and might be persuaded to stop bothering with such rubbish in the future. It's not likely I know, but worth a try.
Rubbish to you does not equal rubbish to all.
Posted December 01, 2014
I think the no DLC decision was a poor call, even if the DLC was crap.
Post edited December 01, 2014 by Gonchi
Posted December 01, 2014
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cataclism: That's exactly what I said but that's not of much use. You still need steam and a steam account with game on it to install the game again if you decido to uninstall or get a new PC. If steam ever goes away (unlikely at this point but it could happen) or for some reason you lose access to your account you will no longer be able to access the game. This to me is still DRM.
For gog for example this doesn't happen. You get a standalone fully capable installer so even if gog disappears you won't lose your games.
Download game, zip folder, archive folder. Steam no longer an issue. Game in example is Carmageddon.

Steam is a DRM'd delivery method that can provide DRM'd and DRM-Free games. For the DRM-Free games, you no longer need Steam, as long as you keep the downloaded files backed up. Similar to GOG actually.

Not all of Steam's games are DRM-Free though, so backing up the folder won't necessarily work for them.
Posted December 01, 2014
I like the Android version, 5x dungeons from the DLC (not sure if they were available for PC or an Android special) included in purchase, all the real money cheats are better off left out though.
Posted December 01, 2014
Happy with the JRPG release and with the DLCs decision :)
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