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Posted December 01, 2014
Plentiful by any definition!

Agarest: Generations of War - Collector's Edition, a fantastic kawaii tactical RPG coming with a full soundtrack, digital artbook, and more sweet, sweet bonus content, is available 50% off, DRM-free on GOG.com. With such a discount we don't see a good reason to pass on the collector's version, and get the cheaper regular edition, but if you make that call remember that you can always go for an upgrade later. The -50% discount for all three items (collectors edition, standard edition, and collector's edition upgrade) lasts until Monday, December 8, at 10:59AM GMT.

Agarest: Generations of War - Collector's Edition includes many unique features that cannot be found in any other Strategy Role Playing Game. It takes place across 5 generations of heroes, starting with your first character, Leonhardt. During each generation you will build relationships with 3 different female party members, and at the end of each generation's story arc you must choose to marry one of the girls. Unite with your chosen heroine and use the “Soul Breed” system to shape the fate of the next generation of heroes. Build your ultimate army of warriors and master Extra Skills, Special Arts and Over Kills to defeat colossal enemies! Choose the path of Darkness or Light through a truly epic story, spanning multiple generations, and battle hundreds of different creatures using an array of character abilities, in a compelling and innovative turn-based combat system.
Posted December 01, 2014
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JudasIscariot: But Disgaea had the whole Item World thing going on top of the actual game so it's longer than that?
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rtcvb32: I think we're misinterpreting something here. I remember playing the original Disgaea, and you could play and beat the game relatively quickly getting your characters to something like level 80, without any heavy grinding, so 10 hours or so of gamplay. The mechanics allowed you to indefinitely grow your character stats. With Disgaea each level gave half the base stat points, so from level 1: 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, etc. This meant a few precious points could make a big difference in how quickly a stat scaled.

The item world was sorta nice, you could take cheap items, even a crappy sword and level it to level 10 and it suddenly was the best weapon you ever owned. Do that a few times if you wanted to, but it wasn't required. Heavy grinding required just to play or beat it reasonably is a different level.

Although for the Disgaea games they had alternate endings depending on if you could defeat levels/bosses that were originally too hard and you were suppose to fail, since they would then give you assistance as part of the storyline, like a horde of dragons coming to assist making that portion of the game beatable, just not with your own stats.
That's the thing with Agarest, there is no way to strategize your way to quickly escalate your stats. Oh wait, there is: DLC.
Posted December 01, 2014
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Frostyfirefly: That's the thing with Agarest, there is no way to strategize your way to quickly escalate your stats. Oh wait, there is: DLC.
I recall having fun with Disgaea, although i wish it had an auto-fight feature if you were pretty much guaranteed to beat the enemies (you're level 200 vs level 20). There was also the tests you could take for new characters, give them good equipment and have them fight and beat the mini bosses to quickly grow your character very quickly.

So the DLC here is only items to boost the game(s) speed? Hmmm... Means i'll probably acquire the game somewhere and then buy it when it's on sale higher than 50% since for $10 it's just at the range of it would have to be really good for me to get it... at least for a title based on the trailer and images and impressions of other strategy games alone.



Suddenly i'm reminded of playing Zy-El for Diablo 2. There grinding to get to level 30 was a pain til you got a poster. Then it was considerably easier. I never made my friends play a whole 2 weeks to get to level 30 before giving them posters to boost their characters, although i'd love to grind to a degree and build my own characters, i don't want to spend months on it, but i also want to earn it...

DLC for cheat items... they should just rebalanced it to beat the game in 40 hours for the good ending...
Posted December 01, 2014
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rtcvb32: So the DLC here is only items to boost the game(s) speed?
Yes, that's basically it, it will take half a year or so of repetitive combat otherwise.
Posted December 01, 2014
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joriandrake: I love that these games get finally on a non-Steam, western PC market.

You may not like the game, but don't insult it and those who like it. I also have some I dislike you still won't see me bash those who release them, or call the game "dogshit". I assume you didn't play this game and have no intention to even try it, thus lacking that I personally consider your opinion greatly nonconstructive.
Sorry If I made it sound like I was calling this game "dogshit"; I was referring to some of the really crappy games that many Steam users are complaining about that store getting flooded with. I agree with you that it's great that GOG is broadening its horizons to include some of these Japanese titles that people seem to like, and I hope that they continue to do so (perhaps offering the occasional non-Japanese Asian-made game, as well); I've certainly got nothing against those who enjoy this sort of thing (though it's not my cup of tea). You are right that I have not played, and have no intention to play, this title, but that shouldn't ruin anyone else's enthusiasm for it. (Though from what others who are interested and have played it are saying here, it doesn't sound like it's the greatest game of its kind -- but that's beside the point.)

My mini-rant before really had nothing to do with this release itself, but with the complaints about GOG's decision to not release what are, by all accounts, fairly pointless DLC packs which, rather than making a decent game better by adding more quality content, instead make a very "grindy" game somewhat less so with cheats which easily could have -- and arguably SHOULD have -- been included in he core game, if only with a patch or free update. As at least one other person in this thread already said, rewarding developers or publishers for using this kind of sketchy DLC model only means more games in the future will use it.

So again, to sum up: I'm not bashing this game, and I'm certainly not bashing this type of game, or anyone who likes it; I was just venting about people's expectations that GOG carry every game / DLC / movie that they personally like.

I'll shut up now (before I dig myself a deeper hole. :) )
Posted December 01, 2014
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rtcvb32: I think we're misinterpreting something here. I remember playing the original Disgaea, and you could play and beat the game relatively quickly getting your characters to something like level 80, without any heavy grinding, so 10 hours or so of gamplay. The mechanics allowed you to indefinitely grow your character stats. With Disgaea each level gave half the base stat points, so from level 1: 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, etc. This meant a few precious points could make a big difference in how quickly a stat scaled.

The item world was sorta nice, you could take cheap items, even a crappy sword and level it to level 10 and it suddenly was the best weapon you ever owned. Do that a few times if you wanted to, but it wasn't required. Heavy grinding required just to play or beat it reasonably is a different level.

Although for the Disgaea games they had alternate endings depending on if you could defeat levels/bosses that were originally too hard and you were suppose to fail, since they would then give you assistance as part of the storyline, like a horde of dragons coming to assist making that portion of the game beatable, just not with your own stats.
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Frostyfirefly: That's the thing with Agarest, there is no way to strategize your way to quickly escalate your stats. Oh wait, there is: DLC.
Is the mouse pad also "functional"?
Posted December 01, 2014
I wonder whether the publisher would have got a less polarised reaction if it had followed Codemasters' practice and set up a cheat code hotline.
Posted December 01, 2014
I have played this game, the story is fine, graphics are fine. The real issue is combat. It all comes down to letting your people get hit, usually letting 1 person get killed, thus giving everyone else technique points to do their ultimate attack. Res the dead person if you have items then kill whatever monster you are fighting. On bosses, you might have to do that a few times. There is no real variety to combat. Killing even basic monsters will be very difficult if you do not chain attacks. Monsters can chain attacks and will kill party members pretty easy, there is no protecting people in the back, your formations are just so people can chain attacks.
Posted December 01, 2014
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joriandrake: I love that these games get finally on a non-Steam, western PC market.

You may not like the game, but don't insult it and those who like it. I also have some I dislike you still won't see me bash those who release them, or call the game "dogshit". I assume you didn't play this game and have no intention to even try it, thus lacking that I personally consider your opinion greatly nonconstructive.
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HunchBluntley: Sorry If I made it sound like I was calling this game "dogshit"; I was referring to some of the really crappy games that many Steam users are complaining about that store getting flooded with. I agree with you that it's great that GOG is broadening its horizons to include some of these Japanese titles that people seem to like, and I hope that they continue to do so (perhaps offering the occasional non-Japanese Asian-made game, as well); I've certainly got nothing against those who enjoy this sort of thing (though it's not my cup of tea). You are right that I have not played, and have no intention to play, this title, but that shouldn't ruin anyone else's enthusiasm for it. (Though from what others who are interested and have played it are saying here, it doesn't sound like it's the greatest game of its kind -- but that's beside the point.)

My mini-rant before really had nothing to do with this release itself, but with the complaints about GOG's decision to not release what are, by all accounts, fairly pointless DLC packs which, rather than making a decent game better by adding more quality content, instead make a very "grindy" game somewhat less so with cheats which easily could have -- and arguably SHOULD have -- been included in he core game, if only with a patch or free update. As at least one other person in this thread already said, rewarding developers or publishers for using this kind of sketchy DLC model only means more games in the future will use it.

So again, to sum up: I'm not bashing this game, and I'm certainly not bashing this type of game, or anyone who likes it; I was just venting about people's expectations that GOG carry every game / DLC / movie that they personally like.

I'll shut up now (before I dig myself a deeper hole. :) )
okay, just a misunderstanding then :)


as for the DLC, I would say these should be implemented in the game release already, and GOG should be able to negotiate on this because the DLC are free in other places included too
Posted December 01, 2014
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Frostyfirefly: That's the thing with Agarest, there is no way to strategize your way to quickly escalate your stats. Oh wait, there is: DLC.
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realkman666: Is the mouse pad also "functional"?
I'm confused, you mean the boobie mousepad that came with the 360 version? If so, yes, but although the "anatomical part" was soft rubber, the cover got dirty and came off after repeated use. And I mean that in a non-dirty way, that is, when I used the mouse on it, it didn't provide long lasting support for my wrist.


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serash: I have played this game, the story is fine, graphics are fine. The real issue is combat. It all comes down to letting your people get hit, usually letting 1 person get killed, thus giving everyone else technique points to do their ultimate attack. Res the dead person if you have items then kill whatever monster you are fighting. On bosses, you might have to do that a few times. There is no real variety to combat. Killing even basic monsters will be very difficult if you do not chain attacks. Monsters can chain attacks and will kill party members pretty easy, there is no protecting people in the back, your formations are just so people can chain attacks.
True.
Post edited December 01, 2014 by Frostyfirefly
Posted December 01, 2014
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realkman666: Is the mouse pad also "functional"?
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Frostyfirefly: I'm confused, you mean the boobie mousepad that came with the 360 version? If so, yes, but although the "anatomical part" was soft rubber, the cover got dirty and came off after repeated use. And I mean that in a non-dirty way, that is, when I used the mouse on it, it didn't provide long lasting support for my wrist.
Because you used it for something other than the wrist?
Posted December 01, 2014
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Frostyfirefly: I'm confused, you mean the boobie mousepad that came with the 360 version? If so, yes, but although the "anatomical part" was soft rubber, the cover got dirty and came off after repeated use. And I mean that in a non-dirty way, that is, when I used the mouse on it, it didn't provide long lasting support for my wrist.
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realkman666: Because you used it for something other than the wrist?
That's why I said in a non-dirty way before!

But considering the nature of the product, I understand why you had to ask.
Posted December 01, 2014
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realkman666: Is the mouse pad also "functional"?
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Frostyfirefly: I'm confused, you mean the boobie mousepad that came with the 360 version? If so, yes, but although the "anatomical part" was soft rubber, the cover got dirty and came off after repeated use. And I mean that in a non-dirty way, that is, when I used the mouse on it, it didn't provide long lasting support for my wrist.
This "side-story" gets funnier after every post XD
*googles boobie mousepad*
Post edited December 01, 2014 by phaolo
Posted December 01, 2014
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Frostyfirefly: I'm confused, you mean the boobie mousepad that came with the 360 version? If so, yes, but although the "anatomical part" was soft rubber, the cover got dirty and came off after repeated use. And I mean that in a non-dirty way, that is, when I used the mouse on it, it didn't provide long lasting support for my wrist.
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phaolo: This "side-story" gets funnier after every post XD
Well, for everyone's information, the quality of the pillow case is top notch! ;)
Posted December 01, 2014
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realkman666: Because you used it for something other than the wrist?
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Frostyfirefly: That's why I said in a non-dirty way before!

But considering the nature of the product, I understand why you had to ask.
and he forgot to ask about the dakimakura pillow
Posted December 01, 2014
Why do people who have the game elsewhere decide to come on here and dump on the release AND put up a review which obviously isnt based on the GOG release? (i dont think im the only one who hates this kind of thing).
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