Posted June 24, 2013

JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece

amok
FREEEEDOOOM!!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted June 24, 2013

Achievements done right can bring more longevity in a game, and can also make the player try things they normally would not. Achievements done wrong... is not so good. But that goes for everything in the world, anyway.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by amok

ET3D
Always a noob
Registered: Oct 2008
From Clipperton Island
Posted June 24, 2013
Yeah, the Atari 2600 really shoved the social features in your face. You actually had friends coming over and playing with you, which is as low as you can go when it comes to being social.

JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted June 24, 2013
Not to mention you actually had to take a photo of your screen then mail a letter to Activision to be able to get your patch. That meant interacting with people! People I say!

ET3D
Always a noob
Registered: Oct 2008
From Clipperton Island
Posted June 24, 2013
No, not really. You can buy over the web (I usually do). You can even choose to install from the web, and if your client is running it will install the game (though I haven't tried it). And you can choose to create game icons on your desktop when you install the game and launch the game from there.

Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted June 24, 2013


CatShannon
New User
Registered: Feb 2011
From Macau

ET3D
Always a noob
Registered: Oct 2008
From Clipperton Island
Posted June 24, 2013
Of course (except for buying, when you don't need it running or installed), and I understand the issue with the license and the client acting as DRM for most games (i.e. must run for the game to run). I can even understand your personal reluctance to have another task running (though I can't really understand why). What I don't understand is why this is extended to a general hatred where people (like you) make sweeping accusations which aren't real.
The main problem I have with it is that other people believe these accusations. Someone reading such a statement might believe that there's need to buy games through the Steam client, or that you are forced to be social. Most people believe that Steam forces DRM ("is DRM") and that it must run for any game on Steam to run. It may be true for most Steam games, but not for all, i.e., Steam doesn't force games to be like that.
What's worse, some developers believe that "Steam is DRM", and therefore don't even think that that they can write their game such that it will run when Steam isn't running.
The main problem I have with it is that other people believe these accusations. Someone reading such a statement might believe that there's need to buy games through the Steam client, or that you are forced to be social. Most people believe that Steam forces DRM ("is DRM") and that it must run for any game on Steam to run. It may be true for most Steam games, but not for all, i.e., Steam doesn't force games to be like that.
What's worse, some developers believe that "Steam is DRM", and therefore don't even think that that they can write their game such that it will run when Steam isn't running.

Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted June 24, 2013
As far as I know, every game that is "DRM-free" on Steam is also available DRM-free elsewhere outside Steam, so it's rather irrelevant.

begedinnikola
New User
Registered: Jun 2011
From Croatia
Posted June 24, 2013

Actually, there's a big difference there you failed to see.
The executable is the main component of a game which is subject to copyright. So by finding an executable (I presume you mean a crack) for a Steam game you copied out of its directory, you are still pirating it.
With a GOG game, as long as you keep the installers backed-up, you're fine to play all your GOG games whenever you want, without needing access to the internet.
If steam goes away, sure, I have to crack the game in most of the cases, but I can prove I own the original copies just as easily as with the GOG copy - either the records exist somewhere, or they don't. I don't see a reason why one service should be viewed differently from the other in this hypothetical situation.
You want to push the piracy point of view, but as I said, while it might be a legally murky area, ethically or morally, I see no difference between these two cases - the service that got me the games is gone, but I'm choosing to continue to play those games anyway.
From a convenience point of view, I also see no difference. I don't keep backups on my hard drive from either of the two services. If any of the two services goes away, I will be downloading the games I already paid for, with no moral or ethical reservations, and probably from a torrent.
You want to make me think that the law matters to me in this case. It might matter to you, but it does not matter to me.
Heck, the law doesn't matter to me right now. I have no issues with piracy. The reason I don't pirate isn't because "it's wrong". It's because I like the services GOG, Steam and others offer me and I enjoy using them.

Crosmando
chrono commando
Registered: Jan 2012
From Australia
Posted June 24, 2013
I wasn't making a law argument primarily, I was making an argument about having access to the internet.

_ChaosFox_
Zero fox given.
Registered: Nov 2008
From Germany
Posted June 24, 2013

Otherwise, if Steam or GOG ever quite easily deleted your entire account and denied that you ever had an account with them, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Besides, you have the receipts that are sent to you by email, and in the case of GOG games, no-one would ever know that you had the games anyway if you kept playing them.

See, unless you keep your email receipts for your games, you have no evidence that you own licences for these games. And while it is permitted in most jurisdictions (Germany, UK, most recently also the US as well by way of a newly established DMCA exception).
And even so, you may find yourself having to prove to a law firm that you own said licence.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by jamyskis

RonnyRulz
New User
Registered: May 2013
From United States

JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted June 24, 2013


RonnyRulz
New User
Registered: May 2013
From United States
Posted June 24, 2013


This only proves my point, and validates my rant.
Steam's policies are literally there to the point they have to be. In the US, they don't HAVE to treat their customers with basic decency, so they don't. In other countries, they HAVE to, so they do.
It's pathetically sad, but proves my point entirely about how corrupt Steam has become, and how much they value short term gains over long term profits.
Thank you VERY much friend, this is something I was too dull to add, and amazing evidence :)
And once more... I am brimming with jealousy.
Post edited June 24, 2013 by RonnyRulz