GOG games don't require steam to run either.... Alan Wake's product page NOWHERE states ANYTHING about steam, too.

You try to make a case out of nothing, man.

As I said, up until GOG sold Alan Wake, every version of the game needed Steam.

And it was the first game ever, from which Steamworks was removed.

Of course not, but just like the OP (and the infamous Alan Wake guy) likely wants to keep their game collection in one place (else the fact that AW here isn't a Steam code wouldn't matter much, would it?), I might want to do the same.

Nowhere on the EA games pages it is stated that they contain the expansion. And when people asked about them, nobody made fun of those.

If a game requires third party download client or account, it has to be stated in the system requirements. If it's not, it's fair to assume it's not required.

I understand that the Alan Wake OP thought it will be a steam key, but it was his error not GOG's. He got a refund (despite starting to download!) because GOG is awesome.
People are expecting them to come, as they should, but nobody is saying (nobody sane) "I thought the expansion is included"!!!

Let's say I bought Hexen+Heretic collection on steam. I won't cry out loud that there isn't Heretic 2 included, because nowhere it stated it was.

Just because something is so everywhere else isn't an excuse for assuming it would be the case here. If you go to the one place in town that sells burgers without a bun and prominently advertises they don't include a bun then you shouldn't have a tantrum when your burger comes without a bun. I'm assuming the bun was DRM/Steamworks in your analogy?


Blech, I forgot Valve tries to pretend CEG isn't DRM.
Because they asked, instead of buying them, starting to download the extras and then having a tantrum and demanding a refund.

I don't remember anyone doing that, but if I did I would treat them the same way as Alan Wake-guy (that is to say, with mild amusement).

I'm not defending that guy, as he was a douche. I'm saying it is an easy mistake to make for somebody who hasn't heard of GOG before.

The elitism displayed in the thread back then and here is one of the reasons the GOG community is no longer the quality it was.

Indeed it was.

If I recall right he went his way to personally attack people that disagreed with him too.

Look who's talking about elitism all of a sudden :D

Well, times change. Gotta adapt to it. "...but I get up again" and all that.

Hey bros can I add DRM to my games? I miss it when it's not around!

Thanks,

SV

With Alan Wake, the scanned manual on GOG is from the retail version, which does talk about having to register on steam to play. I got a bit of a chuckle out of that, but figured anyone that has the game from here knows you can just install without that.

Exactly.

Now we're getting off topic, but I have no problem with achievements being part of a common framework. Hell, I'd have no problem with Steam if it weren't for the DRM. All the parts people crow about being so great (friends list, achievements, etc.) really are a good idea as a common framework, just like using graphics libraries and physics engines is a good idea.

The DRM, that's what kills it. Few have anything good to say about the DRM specifically.

Anyway, the only thing I'd say about achievements is that individuals should be able to turn them off (or at least hide the pop ups) if they're genuinely annoyed by them.

Steam's version of achievements is actually pretty bad, the global stats view is a pretty good idea, but the whole implementation manages to be inferior to XBox Live which is baffling given that I think Steam achievements came way after... If you go to third party achievement platform websites, they do a really bang up job with achievements. I fully expect many elements of TrueAchievements to appear in the next XBox lifecycle.