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Wishbone: Well, "Elenarie" sounds female to me, and the avatar is female as well, so it's certainly an honest mistake to make.
To avoid this kind of honest mistake in the future, there should be a law that people have to wear the symbol of their gender on their shoulder and next to their name online, also next to the symbol requested by Adzeth above :-D
Holy crap.

I asked an honest question about what's your opinion on the subject.

Thanks for the replies, I think I got the general picture.
So what exactly are the ramifications of closing one's Google+ account? I for one do not agree with the use of this data for discriminatory purposes, and to be honest, that is the main use of Google+ I forsee. Will that cancel any of my other separate google accounts? How I wish youtube was still privately owned...
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lowyhong: Unless I'm remembering wrongly, I'm quite sure KavazovAngel has an extra bulge in the pants :)
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Wishbone: Well, "Elenarie" sounds female to me, and the avatar is female as well, so it's certainly an honest mistake to make.
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A picture says more than thousand words ;)
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lukaszthegreat: Australia had been doing that at least since 2005. requiring your id to register for phone card or phone line or internet access.
Is it legal to use someone elses unprotected WLAN connection in kangorooland? If it is, there's no way to trace who did what with the connection. At least here it was deemed legal bit over a year ago. Also IP can be faked so unless the connection is traced, there's no way to verify if connection was made from the IP that shows up or not. There's also anonymising services around that do that for you, heck doesn't simple proxy do that as it allows access to sites blocked from your country.

As for matter of the topic, I'm totally against any sort of verifiable and tracable identification medhod required for access the internet and any other sort of internet control mechanism. Goverments and their puppet masters, the entertainment industry giants, can shove SOPA, PIPA and any other medhods they try to use to controll and cencor the net where the sun does not shine. Free, uncencored and anonymous flow of information FTW.
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lukaszthegreat: Australia had been doing that at least since 2005. requiring your id to register for phone card or phone line or internet access.
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Petrell: Is it legal to use someone elses unprotected WLAN connection in kangorooland? If it is, there's no way to trace who did what with the connection. At least here it was deemed legal bit over a year ago. Also IP can be faked so unless the connection is traced, there's no way to verify if connection was made from the IP that shows up or not. There's also anonymising services around that do that for you, heck doesn't simple proxy do that as it allows access to sites blocked from your country.

As for matter of the topic, I'm totally against any sort of verifiable and tracable identification medhod required for access the internet and any other sort of internet control mechanism. Goverments and their puppet masters, the entertainment industry giants, can shove SOPA, PIPA and any other medhods they try to use to controll and cencor the net where the sun does not shine. Free, uncencored and anonymous flow of information FTW.
Agreed. The government and employers have enough to discriminate against you with as it is. In fact, I hope the guy who lost his job for posting a satirical comment on the Amanda Todd page sues the group that were responsible, and wins.
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Telika: I've already refused to further participate in a serious forum that had established this condition. I'm also very much against facebook, and such all-integrating "social" sites.

It's a matter of traceability. I don't like my entire life to be googled up in 3 minutes. We live in several universes simultanously (work, family, friends, etc), and these don't necessarily overlap, we are not the same person to them all. Privacy allows us to adapt our 'face' to different publics (we don't use the same words, make the same jokes, share the same things, with all of them). The internet tends to merge all these circles. I don't even share or "network" my friends.

Plus there is the question of time. we get old and evolve. Our writings stay intemporal. The internet allows us to write as we talk, light-heartedly, candidly, honestly (well, yeah, it also allows the opposite, but that's not the point here). It allows us to write things we would say and would evaporate, which is different from publishing things that would stay and stay attached to our name, even if we get old, change, evolve on various points, and necessarily, at some point, become someone who would not have said this or said it that way. Being googled up would put all our sayings at the same level, temporal and relationnal. This merging (and temporal flattening) may give, ironically, a false idea of who we are at a specific time.

So, it's both misleading, and intrusive in terms of privacy and management of attitudes to the different circles that demand different facets of us. Internet has the potential to become a dreadful panopticon, and using different names/avatars in that global, unique, and universally shared public space, is the only way to emulate the actual way we live and are asked to behave in the flesh-and-blood social realm and its different sections.
I thought that was a very insightful, interesting and true thing to say.

Basically, we don't want everything we post online to be tied to us by the public, because people can be moron and judge us harshly on things that don't warrant it (including things we might have said or done decades ago that are behind us).

Another example coming off the top of my head would be someone who has HIV and needs to talk about it.

That being said, I do believe that there is too much anonymity online.

While the general public has no business tracking someone down, the police does.

There are many bad apples out there (pedophiles, bullies, hackers and not the kind that merely disrupt financial institutions to make a social statement... the kind that actual ruin lives) and it's still too easy for them to go incognito from the law.

The police should be able to track those people down, always.
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granny: That argument is not too many steps removed from the whole "if you've got nothing to hide..." bullshit that people spout when almost Orwellian security measures are suggested.
Yeah, I wonder why those people still didn't install govt. CCTV cameras in their home.

If they have nothing to hide, it would only be beneficial for them!
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Adzeth: Have you ever been stalked?
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JaqFrost: +1

I have a sociopathic ex who scares the living daylights out of me. I would not want him to find me and there are thousands of other women out there who for one reason or another need to be able to use pseudonyms online. It has nothing to do with being ashamed of trolling message boards or masturbating to furries porn.
A hell of a lot of men, too.. just less men who will admit it.
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granny: That argument is not too many steps removed from the whole "if you've got nothing to hide..." bullshit that people spout when almost Orwellian security measures are suggested.
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keeveek: Yeah, I wonder why those people still didn't install govt. CCTV cameras in their home.

If they have nothing to hide, it would only be beneficial for them!
Exactly. Frankly, '1984' should be required reading everywhere at secondary school level (or equivalent). Or, failing that, the episodes of Babylon 5 that featured the Night Watch.

It's easy to forget just how precious the things we take for granted every day are, and comments like "well, what have you got to hide" enrage me so.

As I said earlier, for all its faults, the internet is the only place anyone can really speak their minds. Without dissenting opinions, even those most would find abhorrent beyond all reason, debate and free thought is stifled, and all you end up with is an echo chamber where all you hear are the same accepted opinions, over and over again.

The thing everyone, and I do mean everyone, needs to keep in mind is this: you do not have the right to not be offended. If idiots and trolls offend you, tough shit. That's the price of free speech. Don't like it? Tough shit.


Sorry, went off on a slight tangent there...
Actually, I think we don't have enough privacy on the internet, just check out the series the wallstreet journal
http://online.wsj.com/public/page/what-they-know-digital-privacy.html

People have no privacy on the internet and little privacy in the real world. Just because the average joe doesn't know how to track doesn't mean there aren't others who do. The more I read up on this stuff, the more I think the tin foil cappers are sensible people.
Post edited February 05, 2013 by Thunderstone
Am I the only one who thinks that from a personal stand point privacy is somewhat overrated? I'm not talking about everyone, just the average Joe like myself. My life is an open book, anything you ask no matter how personal I will tell you without hesitation, and I do this to prove that in most (again this doesn't apply to everyone) instances there is nothing regarding my private life that is likely be either remotly interesting or usefull.

Side note; dead on about "1984", but (I'm repeating myself) that has to do with entire social and political systems which is a different ball of wax. I'm only talking about the common fart head tax paying game playing gog trolling homo sapian like myself.
Post edited February 05, 2013 by tinyE
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granny: The thing everyone, and I do mean everyone, needs to keep in mind is this: you do not have the right to not be offended. If idiots and trolls offend you, tough shit. That's the price of free speech. Don't like it? Tough shit.
I have different approach. You feel offended? You feel you've lost some money because somebody said some shit about you or your business? sue the motherfucker. It's not like somebody who is using his nickname online is truly anonymous.

What I never accept is "some people offend me online so I want everyone to take consequences"
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granny: The thing everyone, and I do mean everyone, needs to keep in mind is this: you do not have the right to not be offended. If idiots and trolls offend you, tough shit. That's the price of free speech. Don't like it? Tough shit.
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keeveek: I have different approach. You feel offended? You feel you've lost some money because somebody said some shit about you or your business? sue the motherfucker. It's not like somebody who is using his nickname online is truly anonymous.
Ah, see, that's a little different, depending on what was said. It's possible it would come under libel laws and other such legislation. If someone had a poor experience with the company, and reporting on it cost said company money, then tough: do a better job. But if it was a blatant lie that cost the company money, then yes: sue.

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keeveek: What I never accept is "some people offend me online so I want everyone to take consequences"
I agree wholeheartedly.

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tinyE: Am I the only one who thinks that from a personal stand point privacy is somewhat overrated? I'm not talking about everyone, just the average Joe like myself. My life is an open book, anything you ask no matter how personal I will tell you without hesitation, and I do this to prove that in most (again this doesn't apply to everyone) instances there is nothing regarding my private life that is likely be either remotely interesting or useful.
The sticking point is choice. You choose to do so, and more power to you. Some people don't want to share everything. Some people don't want to share anything.
Post edited February 05, 2013 by granny
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tinyE: Am I the only one who thinks that from a personal stand point privacy is somewhat overrated? I'm not talking about everyone, just the average Joe like myself. My life is an open book, anything you ask no matter how personal I will tell you without hesitation, and I do this to prove that in most (again this doesn't apply to everyone) instances there is nothing regarding my private life that is likely be either remotely interesting or useful.
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granny: The sticking point is choice. You choose to do so, and more power to you. Some people don't want to share everything. Some people don't want to share anything.
Absolutley. I suppose I could have just said that and saved a lot of time and space. :)

When the idea over here of the Patriot Act first came about I actually had to laugh. If all the conspiracy talk about this thing is to be believed then lets just say (without gettng into too much detail) that I am definitly under heavy observation. If that is the case then I really feel for the poor guy monitoring me! While I say a lot of questionable things, and have "dubious" reading material, fact is, playing Carmageddon is about the most derelict thing that I do. To think that there is someone keeping tabs on me doing shit like that makes me bust a gut.
Post edited February 05, 2013 by tinyE