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Posted December 10, 2011
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Telnet: I don't have $3, but I do have £2, will that do?
An exception could be made in this case. :)

I suppose I could have been more explicit and said "and if someone doesn't have the economic equivalent to USD$3...", but I tend to get wordy already and have a pretty high estimation of my fellow goggers' ability to grasp the obvious.
Posted December 10, 2011
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jamyskis: 1) If you have a GOG account, then you will by definition have a means to pay for the games. What is the point of registering for a digital distribution purchase website if you can't purchase the games? Unless, of course, your sole aim is to get free stuff.

2) If six dollars is a lot of money to any given person, it gives rise to the question of how said person can afford to have a PC capable of running these games, or how they can afford to maintain a broadband connection needed to download them.
Sorry man, but these questions are just simple naive and stupid.

First - not everybody has enough money to buy all the games he wants. Such contests are for people who can't afford the game and they have the one oportunity to get it for free, and most important, legally. People who don't give a sh... about old gaming at all, would just steal the game from torrents

Second - let me make this straight for you, because you seem to have some problems with imagination.

over 3 billion people live for less than 2.50$ a day. And 9 bucks for example is my monthly fee for internet connection. Get it?

Also, having a computer and internet connection is more important than having a game, so many people don't have money for games, because they need to eat.

I'm just getting more and more aggreviated when I see comments like "6 bucks is just a happy meal!" ----> this is what makes this world so f----d up - short sight.

I'm out, because Im getting emotional. If you have enough money to buy all games you want - good for you. But understand, ffs, there are millions people who don't.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by keeveek
Posted December 10, 2011
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Telnet: I don't have $3, but I do have £2, will that do?
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jseeley150: An exception could be made in this case. :)

I suppose I could have been more explicit and said "and if someone doesn't have the economic equivalent to USD$3...", but I tend to get wordy already and have a pretty high estimation of my fellow goggers' ability to grasp the obvious.
I was only messing with you, I just can't wait for the real sales to begin.
Posted December 10, 2011
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jamyskis: 1) If you have a GOG account, then you will by definition have a means to pay for the games. What is the point of registering for a digital distribution purchase website if you can't purchase the games? Unless, of course, your sole aim is to get free stuff.

2) If six dollars is a lot of money to any given person, it gives rise to the question of how said person can afford to have a PC capable of running these games, or how they can afford to maintain a broadband connection needed to download them.
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keeveek: Sorry man, but these questions are just simple naive and stupid.

First - not everybody has enough money to buy all the games he wants. Such contests are for people who can't afford the game and they have the one oportunity to get it for free, and most important, legally. People who don't give a sh... about old gaming at all, would just steal the game from torrents

Second - let me make this straight for you, because you seem to have some problems with imagination.

over 3 billion people live for less than 2.50$ a day. And 9 bucks for example is my monthly fee for internet connection. Get it?

Also, having a computer and internet connection is more important than having a game, so many people don't have money for games, because they need to eat.

I'm just getting more and more aggreviated when I see comments like "6 bucks is just a happy meal!" ----> this is what makes this world so f----d up - short sight.

I'm out, because Im getting emotional. If you have enough money to buy all games you want - good for you. But understand, ffs, there are millions people who don't.
+1 keeveek

its easy to rant and be "populair" saying everyone else is whining and vultureing when they try to get a game for free. how many governments dont fuck up on the wrong expenses and millions who dont even have a job because of that therefor cant even afford a game even its a few dollar?

i really laugh at those who all say that now and gonna lose their job really. see if you say the same things still then.

and its indeed bull to say anyone here that has an account has the means to pay for games. what if you got lucky and got a game for free, by contest by a friend or whatever or you could have afforded 1 or 2 games and use the support or stay here for the community.

also you really need a top end computer to play king quest 1 or starflight 1+2 ... jeez.
computers these days cost jack. compare it to 10 years ago where you had to pay 1000-2000 for a commodore 64 or a ega/vga 333mhz....
Post edited December 10, 2011 by lugum
Posted December 10, 2011
Watching the holiday code thread swell nearly 20 pages in just a couple of hours, I'm inclined to agree with the original post.

On a somewhat related note, I do find it strange the sheer amount of effort people will sometimes go to in order to get something free or cheap. See the show 'Extreme Couponing' for examples, people devote their entire lives to it, and that's not exaggeration.

Another example would be the site 'Swagbucks'. I know people who will spend hours every day watching videos, doing searches, and otherwise using their site to earn enough Swagbucks to get a $5 Amazon gift card every two weeks. That pretty much works out to just a few cents earned per hour.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by Gremmi
Posted December 10, 2011
Yep. Making these topics has only one purpose -> making you feel good about yourself and "so much better than X" where for X you may put whatever you want. And you may also make this kind of facial expression to emphasise:

http://www.social-engineer.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/contempt-500x354.jpg
Post edited December 10, 2011 by keeveek
Posted December 10, 2011
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keeveek: Sorry man, but these questions are just simple naive and stupid.
I'm not entirely sure if these responses were directed at me or my statement was quoted by accident, but I'll go on the assumption that they were directed at me:

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keeveek: First - not everybody has enough money to buy all the games he wants. Such contests are for people who can't afford the game and they have the one oportunity to get it for free, and most important, legally. People who don't give a sh... about old gaming at all, would just steal the game from torrents
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keeveek: If you have enough money to buy all games you want - good for you. But understand, ffs, there are millions people who don't.
And at this point I'll reiterate the rather obvious point that someone who can afford a PC and maintain an internet connection can, by extension, afford to buy at least one game.

I understand that people on very low incomes cannot buy dozens of games each month, but many of GOG's titles provide dozens of hours of entertainment for 6 to 10 dollars.

Gaming is a luxury, not a right. If I had a computer and just ten dollars to spend with my food cupboards empty, I wouldn't in my right mind think about spending that money on games.

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keeveek: Second - let me make this straight for you, because you seem to have some problems with imagination.

over 3 billion people live for less than 2.50$ a day. And 9 bucks for example is my monthly fee for internet connection. Get it?

Also, having a computer and internet connection is more important than having a game, so many people don't have money for games, because they need to eat.
Those people who barely have enough money to eat will seldom have a computer and internet connection of their own.

Consider, if you will, a country like India or Kenya. Countries with millions of people living below the poverty line. There's a good reason that internet cafés are hugely popular in those countries. Even here in Germany, there are plenty of people under the poverty line who cannot afford to eat and certainly cannot afford PCs. That's why libraries and institutions like the Arbeitsamt have internet-ready PCs for people to use.

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keeveek: I'm just getting more and more aggreviated when I see comments like "6 bucks is just a happy meal!" ----> this is what makes this world so f----d up - short sight.
Hence why I was wondering whether this was directed at me...I didn't claim it was "just" a happy meal.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by jamyskis
Posted December 10, 2011
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jamyskis: I understand that people on very low incomes cannot buy dozens of games each month, but many of GOG's titles provide dozens of hours of entertainment for 6 to 10 dollars.

Gaming is a luxury, not a right. If I had a computer and just ten dollars to spend with my food cupboards empty, I wouldn't in my right mind think about spending that money on games.
These lines have entirely no point. It's GOG's curtesy to share this luxury with gamers and giveaway game codes for free.

Because right now, I'm not even sure about what you are ranting. About people who play games they can't afford? This is silly. Life creates trillions situations when you would want to play some games but don't have money for them.
Those people who barely have enough money to eat will seldom have a computer and internet connection of their own.
Nosense. It's proven that many people in Africa have to pay for their cellphone bill rather than for food. Why? Because having working phone in Africa is life saving.

Having working PC with internet connection is a base for even looking for job, not only living a good life. You most certainly live a good life, and it's good for you, but again - try to see people around you - not everyone are in that comfortable situation. Most of the games on gog doesn't require new PC. I think lots of people here have 3-4 years old PC and would like to play some oldies, but can't afford them. Show them some empathy.


And I understand your prior point - there are lots of people who grabbed codes just because they were free. But you're making too general points. There are also as many people who stalked GOG facebook page, because that was the only way they had a chance to play Master of Orion or Realms of Arkania.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by keeveek
Posted December 10, 2011
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keeveek: Yep. Making these topics has only one purpose -> making you feel good about yourself and "so much better than X" where for X you may put whatever you want. And you may also make this kind of facial expression to emphasise:

http://www.social-engineer.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/contempt-500x354.jpg
Not really. Some people do like to complain as OP mentioned. And some of them do have money to pay for these games even if they didn't get them.....making their complaints petty by comparison to those with legitimate complaints. It isn't as black and white as you think either.
Posted December 10, 2011
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keeveek: Yep. Making these topics has only one purpose -> making you feel good about yourself and "so much better than X" where for X you may put whatever you want. And you may also make this kind of facial expression to emphasise:

http://www.social-engineer.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/contempt-500x354.jpg
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GameRager: Not really. Some people do like to complain as OP mentioned. And some of them do have money to pay for these games even if they didn't get them.....making their complaints petty by comparison to those with legitimate complaints. It isn't as black and white as you think either.
note how you say some (and yes some might complain) as wherein the OP says:One of the problems with GOG's approach is that it seems to have bred a vulture mentality where everyone seems to think that they are entitled to free games.

he says everyone. thats just generalizing (and therefor also criticizing those who have good will and arent the "vultures" some make others to be) and that what atleast bugs me.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by lugum
Posted December 10, 2011
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lugum: note how you say some (and yes some might complain) as wherein the OP says:One of the problems with GOG's approach is that it seems to have bred a vulture mentality where everyone seems to think that they are entitled to free games.

he says everyone. thats just generalizing (and therefor also criticizing those who have good will and arent the "vultures" some make others to be) and that what atleast bugs me.
Maybe he should've said what seems like everyone/etc......he was ranting and a bit tiffed obviously. I think we should cut him some slack on that bit.
Posted December 10, 2011
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lugum: he says everyone. thats just generalizing (and therefor also criticizing those who have good will and arent the "vultures" some make others to be) and that what atleast bugs me.
I don't think he actually said that. I think his post left open whether the supposed mentality was bred among "all" GOGers, or only a subset of them that's large enough to warrant the rant. I, for one, read it as the latter, and while I wouldn't use a term as pejorative as "vulture" to describe the behavior of fellow GOGers, the OP doesn't bug me as much as it bugs you.

As GameRager said, it's not black and white, and I think the OP knows that as well, even though he didn't explicitly say so in his first post.

Edit: correction, the OP does indeed say "everyone". I probably didn't assign much weight to that word since the post was classified as a rant anyway and therefore some exaggeration was to be expected.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by Psyringe
Posted December 10, 2011
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lugum: note how you say some (and yes some might complain) as wherein the OP says:One of the problems with GOG's approach is that it seems to have bred a vulture mentality where everyone seems to think that they are entitled to free games.

he says everyone. thats just generalizing (and therefor also criticizing those who have good will and arent the "vultures" some make others to be) and that what atleast bugs me.
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GameRager: Maybe he should've said what seems like everyone/etc......he was ranting and a bit tiffed obviously. I think we should cut him some slack on that bit.
in a way yes, but it was not a post where he just lost his control for a second, he did create a special topic for it and continued with that in later replies.

but you know its not just his opinion , it are more people's opinions that everone who goes for a free game are just vultures. by which most of them are lucky enough probably to have a job and can afford the games. thats just one track minded and too much just black or white opposed to as what you said its more grey.

i know where to get all gog games for free if i wanted, yet i buy games , i gift them (even when i am a student and my bank account is gonna be zilch soon) because i think gog deserves it and the community is good.

yet somehow today its been a bit dark with topics like this, and yes mine too which i didnt mean to turn it like a complain topic.
with the xmas days coming we should keeps things peacefully and not have hatred stuff like this.
Post edited December 10, 2011 by lugum
Posted December 10, 2011
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SimonG: I agree. And I want to add, it was only for a 6$ game! That's less than a Happy Meal!
Jesus Christ.... where in the hell do you live that a Happy Meal costs more than $6? Where I'm from you can get a happy meal for close to $3.50 & get change back at that.
Posted December 10, 2011
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GameRager: Maybe he should've said what seems like everyone/etc......he was ranting and a bit tiffed obviously. I think we should cut him some slack on that bit.
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lugum: in a way yes, but it was not a post where he just lost his control for a second, he did create a special topic for it and continued with that in later replies.

but you know its not just his opinion , it are more people's opinions that everone who goes for a free game are just vultures. by which most of them are lucky enough probably to have a job and can afford the games. thats just one track minded and too much just black or white opposed to as what you said its more grey.

i know where to get all gog games for free if i wanted, yet i buy games , i gift them (even when i am a student and my bank account is gonna be zilch soon) because i think gog deserves it and the community is good.

yet somehow today its been a bit dark with topics like this, and yes mine too which i didnt mean to turn it like a complain topic.
with the xmas days coming we should keeps things peacefully and not have hatred stuff like this.
Some people can be blinded by their feelings for a long enough time to post a post about it then? :\


But yeah let's all celebrate and shite. I'm buying the e-beer. :)
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