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HereForTheBeer: So I'm curious: if she gets the money, has the fertility treatment, and gives birth, will she then be coming back to the 'crowd' for money to raise the kid?

Again, either I'm missing something here or 131 supporters thus far have ponied up ~$10,500 so she can get pregnant some day. Frivolous at best, masked behind the wrecking ball that is cancer.

And it seems like the wrong issue with which to get all worked-up over health insurance.
yup, dont want to sound rude but a treatment for her cancer is one thing(and yes I can happily donate for that reason) another one is for her to recover her fertility.

Still I hope the best for her!
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Zurvan7: Don't understand me wrong but hasn't internet become a way of electronic "begging" with kickstarter, indiegogo etc? (just an opinion so don't attack right away)
As the resident expert on fundraising ethics (hur hur sarcasm), I'm okay with this sort of fundraising as presented. I mean, why not? If your friend is sad and you have spare cash lying around, why not contribute? And if you can ask your friends for spare cash, why not do it efficiently, through the internets?

However - this is not a charity. It's just asking friends for money / giving friends money. If it goes beyond friends (as this thread made it go), it becomes begging. The OP is begging, on behalf of someone else. I can't read backer-only kickstarter updates, but I see none of them are titled "pls giev $$ 2 fyte cancer", so I'm not going to blame Holmes there.


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jamyskis: On a less positive note, I have a feeling that the Chloe Sagal affair is going to rear its ugly head again...
The new Godwin.
Post edited February 20, 2014 by Starmaker
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scampywiak: "In a world, where celebrities get more money for medical help cause they're famous..."
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Foxhack: She's not a celebrity. Not in the sense you'd think.

She was just someone who was involved in a game that's sold in this site and I figured people might want to chip in and help her out.
I think she is in exactly the way scampywiak means.

This is the last time I try asking people for help here.
Well, I don't like using your name and fame to gather money for yourself. I mean, to me she's just another nobody with cash who ran out but still wants the icing on the cake. What to do? That's right, use your name and fame on the Internet. I care more about that nobody around my corner; I don't really care at all about her.
man, healthcare system of the USA is seriously fucked up
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GastonArg: Still I hope the best for her!
Likewise. Lost my stepdad to lung cancer on 21 January last year. Sucks. It's great that she beat it, with the effort and support of medical staff and family and friends.
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Foxhack:
Oh man... as others here, I remember her from the Jane Jensen Pinkerton Road pitch (they never mentioned any of this in the Kickstarter updates btw.).
She played a concert with Robert Holmes at the open house they did for the CSG backers last year, really nice people. Hell of a voice too, some of you adventure gamers might recognize her from the Gray Matter soundtrack.
Sad when it hits such a young and creative person, hope her recovery goes well. Thanks for posting Foxhack.
Post edited February 20, 2014 by MoP
As has been pointed out already, it sounds like this fundraiser is for fertility treatments, not oncologic therapy. Having lost my stepfather to small cell lung cancer last year, I am very sympathetic to her struggle against cancer (and would be even without such a loss). But fertility treatment is an entirely separate matter, even if she requires it as a consequence of her cancer. I am not comfortable donating towards that end, particularly given the expensive and unreliable efficacy of some fertility regimens. If there are those who do want to underwrite her efforts, then that is their prerogative of course.
My apologies, especially to Foxhack, if I'm coming across as the Donation Police. By all means, give if you'd like to lend a hand to a person who has enriched your life in small or large ways. If this campaign isn't your cup of tea then consider giving to a local hospital or organization that helps those in need, or any number of national and international organizations.
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Sachys: my personal and direct experience of them tells me they've spent it on drugs - pharmecutical or recreational - along with all the other trappings of fame and ego.
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Zurvan7: Well we don't know the concept of WWF here in west europe but I guess you are right. Lot of famous athletes who worked and trained like beasts end up doing cocaine and F up all their money. Tyson, Van Damme, Maradona,... I don't judge anyone cause of the constant media and public pressure on these people. So who knows one might do if he/she stood in their shoes.
Given the number of famous actors who take drugs, I'm beginning to wonder if they even had a choice not to? What is it, in their contracts or something??? Or perhaps Aliens select all the most famous actors and beam down brainwashing waves to make them take drugs? Or perhaps the famous actors who did not take drugs were kidnapped by scientists for study into their inexplicable behavior?
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XYCat: man, healthcare system of the USA is seriously fucked up
As a general rule, the only things that are covered by health insurance related to sex are birth control, abortion and pregnancy. Pretty much anything else isn't covered. So, no coverage for gender identity issues, ED or anything else that might be required to actually have and enjoy sex. It doesn't matter that psychologists agree that sex is necessary for a healthy life, insurance won't typically pay for any issues relating to sex.
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XYCat: man, healthcare system of the USA is seriously fucked up
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hedwards: As a general rule, the only things that are covered by health insurance related to sex are birth control, abortion and pregnancy. Pretty much anything else isn't covered. So, no coverage for gender identity issues, ED or anything else that might be required to actually have and enjoy sex. It doesn't matter that psychologists agree that sex is necessary for a healthy life, insurance won't typically pay for any issues relating to sex.
If sex is necessary for a healthy life, no one has told my wife!!!

Edit: hang on a minute, don't women generally live longer than men? which would suggest less sex is better for longer life?
Post edited February 20, 2014 by mystikmind2000
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mystikmind2000: If sex is necessary for a healthy life, no one has told my wife!!!
You're inviting a series of unsavory responses, I think.
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mystikmind2000: If sex is necessary for a healthy life, no one has told my wife!!!
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grimwerk: You're inviting a series of unsavory responses, I think.
Don't worry, I'm used to getting unsavory responses..... every night at bed time!

Edit: now you have to admit, that's funny!
Post edited February 20, 2014 by mystikmind2000
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hedwards: As a general rule, the only things that are covered by health insurance related to sex are birth control, abortion and pregnancy. Pretty much anything else isn't covered. So, no coverage for gender identity issues, ED or anything else that might be required to actually have and enjoy sex. It doesn't matter that psychologists agree that sex is necessary for a healthy life, insurance won't typically pay for any issues relating to sex.
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mystikmind2000: If sex is necessary for a healthy life, no one has told my wife!!!

Edit: hang on a minute, don't women generally live longer than men? which would suggest less sex is better for longer life?
No, that doesn't mean anything at all. Women live longer for other reasons. The amount of sex is hardly the the only variable here. Women have largely a different set of hormones than men do, as well as being smaller than men.

Plus, when it comes to sex, a lot of that has to do with the brain anyways.
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mystikmind2000: If sex is necessary for a healthy life, no one has told my wife!!!

Edit: hang on a minute, don't women generally live longer than men? which would suggest less sex is better for longer life?
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hedwards: No, that doesn't mean anything at all. Women live longer for other reasons. The amount of sex is hardly the the only variable here. Women have largely a different set of hormones than men do, as well as being smaller than men.

Plus, when it comes to sex, a lot of that has to do with the brain anyways.
Well i was not actually being all that serious! But now that i think of it, it is probably a reasonable hypothesis that testosterone does put more wear and tear on the human body than estrogen (or less testosterone). Thus there could be some truth to the theory that less interest in sex = longer life.
Post edited February 20, 2014 by mystikmind2000