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Honestly anyone considering buying one of these systems should be hoping for lower prices in every market. I'm not saying these prices aren't fair, I honestly don't know if they are or they aren't, but lower prices means more early system owners, which means more games faster and less foot dragging in the current gen (which has massive market penetration).

Kinda like the opposite of what happened with the Playstation Vita.
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lukaszthegreat: it is not a lot....

600 bucks is NOT a lot of money here. It is quiet affordable to be honest for new, brand piece of hardware like those consoles. A week of pay.... if you are working in McDonald cleaning dishes.

so I can't justify complaints about the price.
Yeah, my iPad cost me more than either the XBone or the PS4.

I'm still scratching my head why the PS4 was upped $150 but the XBone was only upped $100 though.
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Cormoran: I'm still scratching my head why the PS4 was upped $150 but the XBone was only upped $100 though.
I'm guessing dingo insurance.
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Heretic777: I feel sorry for Australian gamers. They are always ridiculously overcharged.
I feel sorry for myself. We are the most overcharged consumers in the world. I'm not exaggerating.
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Magmarock: That's how much they are going to be in Australia.

Such good price hey? I mean at those prices who wouldn't want to get a new console.

I'm... I'm sorry, I apologize. I can't even sarcastically pretend to support this, by any measure.
Hahahahahaha, it's MUCH worse here. The Xbox One will cost around U$1000 in Brazil. How great is that? I wish we had the same prices as you do. Seriously.

Our Xbox One will be the most expensive in the world (i'm not kidding, this is a fact). The PS4 doesn't have an official price yet, but it won't be much cheaper. Actually we don't even know if Sony will release the PS4 here on launch day like Microsoft will. It would be kind of dumb for Sony not to release the PS4 here before christmas. The Xbox 360 sold a lot more than the PS3, and if Microsoft releases their console first they'll take the headstart in a market that they already dominate. Even the Wii U will be released here later this year.

Here's the link to pre-order the Xbox One here:
http://www.americanas.com.br/produto/113910676/console-xbox-one-500gb-com-leitor-em-blu-ray-novo-controle-wireless-novo-sensor-kinect-edicao-limitada-para-pre-venda
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bansama: Not sure how you reach that conclusion. It's likely to be a decent console if the PS3 is to go by; but without a price tag or release date, how can they expect anyone to prepare for its release? I'm expecting now that it'll get an ROW release this year and a JP one next. Which is pretty much the equivalent of giving their own market the middle finger. Of course, we should be used to that by now.
We don't have a price tag or release date either, even though all the details about the Xbox One launch here have already been revealed.

Of course Japan being a much bigger market and Sony's home makes it far worse. I think Sony is trying to go for the countries with a confirmed Xbox One launch first.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Neobr10
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fr33kSh0w2012: Dude You're Crazy PC's over here are MEGA EXPENSIVE!

to get a decent rig you need about $2000 to $4000

New Alienware X51
There's your problem. Alienware is a premium brand. They charge a premium of several hundred dollars for average or below-average components in a shiny case. You can get the equivalent hardware for a far lower price by getting a smaller place to assemble it for you (for some nominal fee), or even assemble it yourself. There are various sites with part lists of suitable systems matching certain uses and budget levels as well as forums dedicated to advising on specific builds.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Arkose
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hedwards: What does that have to do with it? The cost of the hardware is the same regardless of how much you earn, the hardware doesn't suddenly cost half as much to produce, just because you're making half of what somebody else is making in another country.
The problem isn't a flat price, there's NO flat price to begin with, the problem is lower average incomes being asked to pay insane mark ups in regards to prices offered to (much) higher average incomes in order to cater to specific markets.


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hedwards: And European prices are higher in large part due to the better warranty that the governments over there require. As well as expanded consumer rights in general.
That's funny, i always though it was on account of the industry wide penchant for ripping off the European customer in order to subsidize the American customer.

So Europeans are asked to pay ludicrous mark ups of 20%, 30% and higher becasue we have 'better' consumer rights, uh ? Makes perfect sense. But not the right to expect fair pricing policies apparently, i mean, what would the world be without the shameless wide spread subservience to the NA market.
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dr.zli: US citizens earn much more than me, yet /i need to pay more than them? How fucked up is that?
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hedwards: What does that have to do with it? The cost of the hardware is the same regardless of how much you earn, the hardware doesn't suddenly cost half as much to produce, just because you're making half of what somebody else is making in another country.

Yes, it's unfortunate that it's not equally affordable to all, but realistically these units area being sold at a loss in all likelihood already.

EDIT: And European prices are higher in large part due to the better warranty that the governments over there require. As well as expanded consumer rights in general.
But why is then price different in US and EU when we all know the cost to produce 1 unit is the same? Your argument is not valid. The real reason is the pampering of US market (one of the largest markets in the world).
But I'm ok with that as long as I can buy stuff in US with the help of my family.
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fr33kSh0w2012: Dude You're Crazy PC's over here are MEGA EXPENSIVE!

to get a decent rig you need about $2000 to $4000

New Alienware X51

Online Price $2,299

*4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770 (8MB Cache, up to 3.9GHz with Turbo Boost Technology)
*Windows 8, English (64bit)
*16GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600Mhz
*2TB (64MB Cache) 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s
*2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 670 (DVI-I/DVI-D/HDMI/DP)
*Slot-Loading Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BR-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW)
*No Monitor
*1Yr ProSupport: NBD Onsite Service

As you can See that is WITHOUT MONITOR! Nasty price Huh!
A decent rig? That PC is total overkill for just gaming. Unless you absolutely want to run Crysis on ultra settings, you don't need 16GB RAM or an i7 or a Blu-ray player or a 2GB graphics card. You can build a PC with half the specs that will still be able to run Far Cry 3 on ultra at 1080p without problems.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by Mrstarker
I think I paid around $450 for my Xbox 360 + Kinect half a year ago, so this doesn't sound too bad. Granted I did get a second controller. (I don't remember the exchange rate at the time; currently what I paid is closer to $500).

(Also I'm going to spend soon $200 for a motherboard which costs $140 on Newegg, or $120 after rebate.)
Post edited June 30, 2013 by ET3D
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fr33kSh0w2012: Dude You're Crazy PC's over here are MEGA EXPENSIVE!

to get a decent rig you need about $2000 to $4000

New Alienware X51

Online Price $2,299

*4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4770 (8MB Cache, up to 3.9GHz with Turbo Boost Technology)
*Windows 8, English (64bit)
*16GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600Mhz
*2TB (64MB Cache) 7200 RPM SATA 6Gb/s
*2GB GDDR5 NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 670 (DVI-I/DVI-D/HDMI/DP)
*Slot-Loading Dual Layer Blu-ray Reader (BR-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW)
*No Monitor
*1Yr ProSupport: NBD Onsite Service

As you can See that is WITHOUT MONITOR! Nasty price Huh!
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Mrstarker: A decent rig? That PC is total overkill for just gaming. Unless you absolutely want to run Crysis on ultra settings, you don't need 16GB RAM or an i7 or a Blu-ray player or a 2GB graphics card. You can build a PC with half the specs that will still be able to run Far Cry 3 on ultra at 1080p without problems.
I'm thinking More into the future!
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fr33kSh0w2012: I'm thinking More into the future!
If you absolutely need to play every game on the highest settings right out of the gate for years to come, you could just sell one of your yachts to afford it. Seriously, it's like complaining how overpriced the new Ferraris are.
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fr33kSh0w2012: to get a decent rig you need about $2000 to $4000

New Alienware X51
You're paying extra for the brand and the small case. I configured a better PC (4770K instead of 4770, SSD, faster RAM and GeForce 770) at Umart and the price ended up $100 less than the Alienware. That was without checking prices at all, just picking what I felt was reasonable from the list. If I actually went over the list to pick something reasonable I'm sure I could have shaved significantly more.
The PS4 is 625$ here and the XBOX1 is 677$ at the cheapest store. A bit more than I would be willing to pay for one.
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hedwards: What does that have to do with it? The cost of the hardware is the same regardless of how much you earn, the hardware doesn't suddenly cost half as much to produce, just because you're making half of what somebody else is making in another country.

Yes, it's unfortunate that it's not equally affordable to all, but realistically these units area being sold at a loss in all likelihood already.

EDIT: And European prices are higher in large part due to the better warranty that the governments over there require. As well as expanded consumer rights in general.
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dr.zli: But why is then price different in US and EU when we all know the cost to produce 1 unit is the same? Your argument is not valid. The real reason is the pampering of US market (one of the largest markets in the world).
But I'm ok with that as long as I can buy stuff in US with the help of my family.
I already told you, the EU mandates things like longer warranties and extra consumer protections. You don't honestly think that getting an additional 21 months of warranty is free, do you? Not to mention the extra patching that sometimes happens, I remember Creative needing a special patch for Europe that differed from the US version only in limiting the volume to a couple decibels below what the US version would deal with.
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hedwards: What does that have to do with it? The cost of the hardware is the same regardless of how much you earn, the hardware doesn't suddenly cost half as much to produce, just because you're making half of what somebody else is making in another country.
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Namur: The problem isn't a flat price, there's NO flat price to begin with, the problem is lower average incomes being asked to pay insane mark ups in regards to prices offered to (much) higher average incomes in order to cater to specific markets.
Given your anti-American rant in the rest of your post, I'm going to have to assume that you don't have any clue as to what you're talking about. Small markets are small markets, if you're needing to localize for a country that has a small population, then you're going to have a smaller number of units being sold, even though the cost to do that isn't going to be any lower.

And there are probably other costs associated as well.

As I said before, the cost of a unit has little or nothing to do with the wages being paid in your particular part of the world.

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hedwards: And European prices are higher in large part due to the better warranty that the governments over there require. As well as expanded consumer rights in general.
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Namur: That's funny, i always though it was on account of the industry wide penchant for ripping off the European customer in order to subsidize the American customer.

So Europeans are asked to pay ludicrous mark ups of 20%, 30% and higher becasue we have 'better' consumer rights, uh ? Makes perfect sense. But not the right to expect fair pricing policies apparently, i mean, what would the world be without the shameless wide spread subservience to the NA market.
Sigh, this attitude right here is pretty disgusting. Not only are you demanding more rights than we get, but now you're trying to make us subsidize them.

Having to provide a warranty for an extra year or in many cases and extra 21 months isn't exactly cheap. And, in many cases the European version of things requires special testing and IIRC has had to be lead free for quite some time.

I can sort of get MS focusing on the US, but why on Earth would both Sony and Nintendo be enforcing subserviance to NA on Europe? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, if they were going to engage in global politics of that sort, you'd think they'd make their own home region the king of things.
Post edited June 30, 2013 by hedwards
Your argument concerning added warranty is laughable. What about rest of the world that gets shafted even more? I think you should just admit that we're all paying premium so average US citizen can have a nice price.