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spinefarm: Ok go buy the stuff in the AC (GOG edition) separetly and come back here with the prices :)
But the normal prices,not promo shits.
Cause at the moment AC1 is cheaper than Steam here. both for US/EU till 12th of April...what you see bad about it?
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bazilisek: "promo shits"? That's supposed to be an argument?

I'm not interested in talking to you at all, but I'll tell you this before I leave this thread: in the current market conditions, AC is not worth $10. End of story.
And then don't buy it.Nobody is putting a gun to your head to buy it here. Go buy it on Steam & and buy the lovely OST separetly ;)
On the Assassin's Creed edition and the OST.

Are we really at a point where we'll accept goodies being thrown in and that justifying a higher price? (because that's the counter argument people are using here).

I get that the OST actually costs a decent amount of money if you buy it separately, and it's sweet that it's included. But if it keeps the price of the *game* up to a non competitive level (for argument's sake), is that really a good thing? That means anyone who has no interest in that will be facing an average price at best, because the OST is forced in the package, even though it's sold separately elsewhere. (Again, ASSUME it results in non competitive prices for sake of argument)

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spinefarm: Enough with this Steam turf already. The only thing GOG can do to make the site better is selling bundles for game series and this is the only thing missing for them. 50% off is enough.

Steam are making sales like that to destroy the competition not to make profit ;)
If that's the case then you should blame Amazon equally or even more since they're the ones who are getting these DRM free games first *and* they're pricematching Steam's sales.

And I personally don't agree 50% is 'enough'. I know there's a lot of 'supporters of the movement' on this forum as well as DRM-purists who will buy here no matter what, but that's not the general gaming crowd. If the argument is actually 'competition', then they'll have to appeal to those people, especially in price, because that *is* one of the main arguments for the general gaming populace. Hence why you have price trackers everywhere.
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Paingiver: Amazon version is not DRM-free. I don't know exactly but don't expect that Tages removed on Steam or GreenManGaming version too.Steamworks and Capsule is already drm even Tages removed.

I think this is a starting point. Newer Ubisoft titles are coming to GOG for Drm-free. We can expect AC2, other Prince of Persia series soon.
HOMM V is another one of those titles that had the DRM stripped off the retail release through patches, so adapting it to GOG was probably a small step. Actually putting it up here is the bigger one probably. Then again, whatever it'll sell for here will probably be more than they'll catch on average on other sites because they'll usually sell on sales probably, so it does sort of make sense.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Pheace
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Pheace: Enough with this Steam turf already. The only thing GOG can do to make the site better is selling bundles for game series and this is the only thing missing for them. 50% off is enough.

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spinefarm: Steam are making sales like that to destroy the competition not to make profit ;)
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Pheace: If that's the case then you should blame Amazon equally or even more since they're the ones who are getting these DRM free games first *and* they're pricematching Steam's sales.

And I personally don't agree 50% is 'enough'. I know there's a lot of 'supporters of the movement' on this forum as well as DRM-purists who will buy here no matter what, but that's not the general gaming crowd. If the argument is actually 'competition', then they'll have to appeal to those people, especially in price, because that *is* one of the main arguments for the general gaming populace. Hence why you have price trackers everywhere.
I do blame Amazon too with all that shit about US only Digital store. For some games 50% is enough...
And I do agree with you that GOG needs bundles.
But the diff between GOG & Steam/Amazon is how big is the company. Amazon is a big company...Valve is not small at all too.. they can throw better sales cause of the enourmosity of the user base.

For starters 50% off is quite good for small companies like GOG...the moment they grow bigger. They can do bigger price drops.
I think GOG will have bigger issues with something else... the problem with regional pricing on Steam...
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Pheace: On the Assassin's Creed edition and the OST.

Are we really at a point where we'll accept goodies being thrown in and that justifying a higher price? (because that's the counter argument people are using here).
No we're saying for 70% of the world it IS AT NORMAL PRICING but you get the extras for the EU it's SLIGHTLY more (but not too much a couple of quid/euros not even a lunch in many countries) but you get a bunch of extras that more than make up for the price discrepancy between local and world prices hell most prices here are more than russia pays but you don't see this much bitching about it!
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Pheace: On the Assassin's Creed edition and the OST.

Are we really at a point where we'll accept goodies being thrown in and that justifying a higher price? (because that's the counter argument people are using here).
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wodmarach: No we're saying for 70% of the world it IS AT NORMAL PRICING but you get the extras for the EU it's SLIGHTLY more (but not too much a couple of quid/euros not even a lunch in many countries) but you get a bunch of extras that more than make up for the price discrepancy between local and world prices hell most prices here are more than russia pays but you don't see this much bitching about it!
Damn you ninja'd me with my Russia/Ukraine/Brazil argument :)
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spinefarm: I do blame Amazon too with all that shit about US only Digital store. For some games 50% is enough...
And I do agree with you that GOG needs bundles.
But the diff between GOG & Steam/Amazon is how big is the company. Amazon is a big company...Valve is not small at all too.. they can throw better sales cause of the enourmosity of the user base.

For starters 50% off is quite good for small companies like GOG...the moment they grow bigger. They can do bigger price drops.
I think GOG will have bigger issues with something else... the problem with regional pricing on Steam...
I do agree with you that their size probably limits their ability to be able to price as competitively as they'd like to some extent.
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wodmarach: No we're saying for 70% of the world it IS AT NORMAL PRICING but you get the extras for the EU it's SLIGHTLY more (but not too much a couple of quid/euros not even a lunch in many countries) but you get a bunch of extras that more than make up for the price discrepancy between local and world prices hell most prices here are more than russia pays but you don't see this much bitching about it!
Did you not read what I stated properly? I specifically said to assume non competitive pricing , since people were using the argument of the sound track, justifying the price of the game (despite regional pricing ...). If you want to flip flop around that by then going to another argument that is fine but then why are you responding to my question?
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Pheace
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spinefarm: I do blame Amazon too with all that shit about US only Digital store. For some games 50% is enough...
And I do agree with you that GOG needs bundles.
But the diff between GOG & Steam/Amazon is how big is the company. Amazon is a big company...Valve is not small at all too.. they can throw better sales cause of the enourmosity of the user base.

For starters 50% off is quite good for small companies like GOG...the moment they grow bigger. They can do bigger price drops.
I think GOG will have bigger issues with something else... the problem with regional pricing on Steam...
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Pheace: I do agree with you that their size probably limits their ability to be able to price as competitively as they'd like to some extent.
It is just not right yet to compare a small company like GOG with the big dogs.
The moment they become bigger and if they don't get pricing for their customers... than I will agree that they have an issue... till then... enjoy the weekend promo they've just anounced :)
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spinefarm: It is just not right yet to compare a small company like GOG with the big dogs.
The moment they become bigger and if they don't get pricing for their customers... than I will agree that they have an issue... till then... enjoy the weekend promo they've just anounced :)
I get your point but we have different viewpoints. I do agree it's not easy for them to be competitive in pricing due to their size, however I do believe that that is ultimately what they'll have to do. They *are* competing with the big dogs more and more every day since more older games are getting re-released on the other platforms, and now the shared percentage is increasing with the introduction of Indie games.

I agree they have other ways to compete right, like DRM-free (although i think the populace that truly cares about that is still *relatively* same), Customer Service (rather easy for a small company, although even CS isn't without it's complaints here), but I really believe ultimately it's price that determines where the consumer populace eventually makes it's decision (hence the price trackers etc which I mentioned before). Well, the non nitpicky ones at least. ^^

I don't agree you can just dismiss it's price competitiveness, simply because they are small. Digital means it's a click away to buy somewhere else, so they *are* competing with anyone who has a similar stock.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Pheace
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Pheace: Did you not read what I stated properly? I specifically said to assume non competitive pricing , since people were using the argument of the sound track, justifying the price of the game (despite regional pricing ...). If you want to flip flop around that by then going to another argument that is fine but then why are you responding to my question?
Except it IS competitive pricing which is what we've been trying to point out in most cases just because the EU for once has a lower price than the US doesn't mean the price isn't competitive.
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wodmarach: Except it IS competitive pricing which is what we've been trying to point out in most cases just because the EU for once has a lower price than the US doesn't mean the price isn't competitive.
So now you're just highlighting that you've not actually read the whole thread?

We established already in the first ... 5 or 6 posts in this thread or something that even though listing price is 1:1 that GOG lacks competitive pricing, not because of its listing price but because GOG's sales are not generally as extreme as the ones on other portals.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Pheace
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spinefarm: Enough with this Steam turf already. The only thing GOG can do to make the site better is selling bundles for game series and this is the only thing missing for them. 50% off is enough.
Steam are making sales like that to destroy the competition not to make profit ;)
Digital Sales make a profit. They make absurd profits. If they didn't make as insane profits, they wouldn't bother to make sales as often. There was a huge hubub about it a while ago, http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/24/less-is-more-gabe-newell-on-game-pricing/
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wodmarach: Except it IS competitive pricing which is what we've been trying to point out in most cases just because the EU for once has a lower price than the US doesn't mean the price isn't competitive.
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Pheace: So now you're just highlighting that you've not actually read the whole thread?

We established already in the first ... 5 or 6 posts in this thread or something that even though listing price is 1:1 that GOG lacks competitive pricing, not because of its listing price but because GOG's sales are not generally as extreme as the ones on other portals.
Extreme sales don't always do good for a company ;) It really depends on the costumer base about that. Steam is targeting US customers mostly. They don't care about smaller markets around the world.
I get your point but I do think that extreme prices will hurt GOG more than do some good.

Just one thing I like this community better even if GOG is selling games 2-3$ over the price at Steam/Amazon.

Let's not make GOG shitty as Steam please :)
Post edited April 06, 2012 by spinefarm
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spinefarm: Extreme sales don't always do good for a company ;) It really depends on the costumer base about that. Steam is targeting US customers mostly. They don't care about smaller markets around the world.
I get your point but I do think that extreme prices will hurt GOG more than do some good.

Just one thing I like this community better even if GOG is selling games 2-3$ over the price at Steam/Amazon.

Let's not make GOG shitty as Steam please :)
Extreme sales have done fine for Steam and they seem to do fine for Amazon. I agree it depends on the customer base to some extent, however the fact they *can not* do it is already something that is hurting them.

Steam is not targeting US customers only... what gives you that idea? O_o

Your last comments are basically saying you're hoping GOG doesn't grow, which *will* impact the community, as it does with every community as it gets bigger. However, the best thing for GOG is to grow, despite what some people here might want :) And expanding into the Indie base is doing exactly that. Growing the userbase.
Post edited April 06, 2012 by Pheace
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spinefarm: Extreme sales don't always do good for a company ;) It really depends on the costumer base about that. Steam is targeting US customers mostly. They don't care about smaller markets around the world.
I get your point but I do think that extreme prices will hurt GOG more than do some good.

Just one thing I like this community better even if GOG is selling games 2-3$ over the price at Steam/Amazon.

Let's not make GOG shitty as Steam please :)
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Pheace: Extreme sales have done fine for Steam and they seem to do fine for Amazon. I agree it depends on the customer base to some extent, however the fact they *can not* do it is already something that is hurting them.

Steam is not targeting US customers only... what gives you that idea? O_o

Your last comments are basically saying you're hoping GOG doesn't grow, which *will* impact the community, as it does with every community as it gets bigger. However, the best thing for GOG is to grow, despite what some people here might want :) And expanding into the Indie base is doing exactly that. Growing the userbase.
Extreme sales on Amazon are targeting US customers...and they do that to advertise them as digital seller.Yes it makes hell of a job for them,but you can't compare them with GOG.

With Valve(Steam) is other thing.Valve do extreme sales on games that don't sell well or recently to keep track with Amazon prices. And even with extreme prices they are loosing customers to other digital sellers lately (Amazon,GOG,GamersGate...etc.)
The whole point was that you can't jump in a pool with sharks without bringing a shotgun...and GOG are making that shotgun at the moment with the new indies and not so older titles ;)

I've never said only US customers. But as you can see US customers gets better prices than EU all the time (I don't count Ukraine/Russia this is something different).

No I hope GOG grow into a bigger and better community than Steam. And I hope they will have better support than Steam and don't divide people by region.
Steam sales are international sales. Why would sales only be "targeting US customers"? That doesn't even make sense. Europe hates saving money I guess?

If your community isn't growing, it's already dying. GOG will become bigger over time and shift appropriately, or it'll languish and die. It can't just stay static, that's not how businesses work, and that's not how communities work.