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General discussion (archive)Pre-order update: Divinity: Dragon Commander: The Imperial Edition(144 posts)(144 posts)
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Posted June 28, 2013
Divine Divinity for free and even more reasons to pre-order the upcoming innovative fantasy RTS!

[url=http://www.gog.com/gamecard/divinity_dragon_commander]Divinity: Dragon Commander is an upcoming multi-layered real-time strategy game with a fantastic setting, epic scale, and many original ideas making it a breath of fresh air in the genre, and it's currently available for pre-orders on GOG.com, for $39.99. The game's release is currently planned for August 6, and if you pre-ordered it, plan to pre-order it, or are generally interested in great RTS games, we've got some important news for you!

Larian Studios, the game's creators, announced there will be two editions of the game available at the release. The version you'll be getting if you pre-order on GOG.com before August 6 now becomes the extended Imperial Edition, which contains the game's additional launch content: a development documentary video, an extra campaign map, an additional golden skin for your Dragon Emperor, and the game's soundtrack. The pre-order period is your chance to grab the game and all of the additional content for just $39.99.

If you decide not to take the pre-order route and get the game after the release for $39.99, you'll still be able to upgrade your version with the aforementioned development documentary video, extra map, golden dragon skin, and game soundtrack via the additional $9.99 "Imperial Edition Upgrade". Yes, this basically means that early adopters receive $9.99 worth of content with their pre-ordered copy, free of charge, thus becoming the owners of the most robust version of the game available on launch day.

Video: Divinity Dragon Commander: Imperial Edition Call to Arms!

The other thing Larian Studios is offering to GOG.com pre-ordering customers is a complimentary free copy of their classic Divine Divinity action-RPG. This will be a GOG.com copy, mind you, so the free game itself also comes with tons of valueble bonus content (and don't forget about the first free game you got out of this deal: Master of Magic!). This gift from Larian is meant to make up for the fact, that due to technical reasons the developer can't offer early beta access to GOG.com buyers.

Bottom line: Pre-order Divinity: Dragon Commander on GOG.com for $39.99 before August 6, to get the exclusive Imperial Edition of the game + free Divine Divinity & Master of Magic!

Now, just to keep things transparent, a post-bottom line. This announcement might made some of our veteran users raise their eyebrows once or twice, and we feel it is important to address the fact that we're taking a new route with this release. First of all, this is the first time on GOG.com that a single game will be simultanously available in two different versions, one of them standard and the other one with addtional content. We believe this gives more freedom of choice to our users, and increasingly, this is where a lot of newer titles are going: selling additional content like soundtracks and so on at a premium. It's important to note that GOG won't be doing this with our classic releases, as the GOG.com policy for those always has been and will be to make every release as complete, comprehensive, and filled with free bonus content as possible. For new titles we would like to offer both the gamers and the developer more flexibility to make their mutual deals the way they want to. Furthermore, as time progresses and new releases become a de facto part of our back-catalog, we'll be trying to re-negotiate our deals to include soundtracks and more bonus content with those as well.

We hope this answers most of your questions regarding the new solutions we're testing here. Our recent user survey allows us to remain optimistic about your feedback. If you have any questions regarding these new steps we're taking or the (highly recommended!) Divinity: Dragon Commander pre-order offer, we encourage you to ask them in the forums.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by Chamb
Posted June 29, 2013
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Raze_Larian: The GOG version doesn't use Steamworks, so AFAIK it doesn't look like there will be an easy way to play online between GOG and Steam versions.
Will the GOG version be compatible with the DRM-free version from the Vault? The way you phrased the reply, I assume yes; the way it's written on the product page, it looks like no (???)
Posted June 29, 2013
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Roman5: I know all of this depends entirely on Larian so here's a message to them:

Dear Larian studios, this is a dirty move where you sell things which should be originally in the game to begin with for an additional price and try to make it look like a "Premium" edition, many studios and publishers do the same shit on Steam and other places

What all of this does is decrease the value of your game, decrease your reputation and provokes less people to preorder your game because based on what you are doing: you are trying to Swindle and Rob people with "Day 1 DLC" aka: Stuff that should already be in the game for free - a practice popular among many terrible and greedy publishers

Because of this attitude, I will not be pre-ordering your game

Roman5
It's why I voted for this type of thing having NO place on GOG as it's sleazy to the max.

I love GOG but I think it's a shame they've allowed this and, yes, it also makes me think less of Larian who are basically trying to squeeze every penny out of their customers.

I'd originally decided to pick this up once it releases (I NEVER pre-order games and neither does anyone else who is smart as it's the biggest ripoff in the gaming world, particularly when you're paying for a game sight unseen and sight untested that can be absolute garbage once it's released).

As it stands now, I doubt I'll buy the game at all as I detest supporting this kind of thing.
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Roman5: I know all of this depends entirely on Larian so here's a message to them:

Dear Larian studios, this is a dirty move where you sell things which should be originally in the game to begin with for an additional price and try to make it look like a "Premium" edition, many studios and publishers do the same shit on Steam and other places

What all of this does is decrease the value of your game, decrease your reputation and provokes less people to preorder your game because based on what you are doing: you are trying to Swindle and Rob people with "Day 1 DLC" aka: Stuff that should already be in the game for free - a practice popular among many terrible and greedy publishers

Because of this attitude, I will not be pre-ordering your game

Roman5
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mqstout: Quoting in agreement. Even though I Kickstarted your game, I do *not* appreciate you taking this approach. It makes you slimey. I don't like that I'm already in a business relationship a company that would so something so wrong and anti-consumer.
Absolutely agree. In fact, I'm so pissed off by this I doubt I'll ever buy another Larian game. Too many other companies that don't try to ripoff their customers. A real shame.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Bloodygoodgames
Posted June 29, 2013
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Raze_Larian: The GOG version doesn't use Steamworks, so AFAIK it doesn't look like there will be an easy way to play online between GOG and Steam versions.
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Starmaker: Will the GOG version be compatible with the DRM-free version from the Vault? The way you phrased the reply, I assume yes; the way it's written on the product page, it looks like no (???)
the answer is easy ;)

https://www.larianvault.com/faq.php

and according to this :

http://www.larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=467919#Post467919

it's no good for digital version of the game. Best bet for the MP is the retail copy, now i don't know if the Vault will have a Steam key alonside the DRM free version. Logicaly i would say yes, but i have some doubt.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by DyNaer
Posted June 29, 2013
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Starmaker: Will the GOG version be compatible with the DRM-free version from the Vault? The way you phrased the reply, I assume yes; the way it's written on the product page, it looks like no (???)
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DyNaer: the answer is easy ;)
https://www.larianvault.com/faq.php
and according to this :
http://www.larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=467919#Post467919

it's no good for digital version of the game. Best bet for the MP is the retail copy, now i don't know if the Vault with have a Steam key alonside the DRM free version. Logicaly i would say yes, but i have some doubt.
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It's about Steam vs GOG. I want to know about GOG vs the Larian vault. (Normally, I'd have just preordered everything everywhere, but I'm currently broke and don't even quite clear the MSR.)

A digital copy of Divinity: Original Sin for Windows PC, Mac or Linux(*) via your preferred digital retailer such as Steam or GOG.com. Digital copies come with a digital manual. The game will initially be available in English, for Windows. As Mac and Linux versions, and other languages, become available, they will be free to owners of Windows copies (digitally). Digital copies will have to be downloaded via your preferred digital retailer such as the Larianvault, Steam or GOG.com
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A digital download code for Dragon Commander. The game will initially be available in English, for Windows. As Mac and Linux versions, and other languages, become available, they will be free to owners of Windows copies (digitally). Digital copies will have to be downloaded via your preferred digital retailer such as the Larianvault, Steam or GOG.com
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HEY RAZE,
any word on the availability of the Dragon Commander physical box from the Vault?
also pm'd
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Starmaker
Posted June 29, 2013
oh sorry, i mixed up the response from Raze and your question xD

i have no doubt the gog version will be compatible the vault version for MP , since both are drm-free

Now if you look the post of larian forum & raze answer:

there will be a problem with a drm free copy (gog / vault) and a Steam copy for MP -> reason the retail box will come with both version .... :(

Thanks for the info i missed, but that's what i come to , the GOG user won't be able to play against a Steam user in MP.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by DyNaer
Posted June 29, 2013
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Adzeth: It almost seems like they really want people to buy it before anyone gets to review it :p
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Raze_Larian: Except, of course, that lots of people have been able to review pre-release and beta versions.
Just like with the new SimCity :)
Anyway, it's not like I really think there's foul play at hand here, just that the more they push for pre-orders, the less interested I get.
Posted June 29, 2013
Extra map and golden dragon skin via the additional $9.99 "Imperial Edition Upgrade"? Really sounds like EA.
Even though there is also game soundtrack and documentary video(which are both ok to have for a separate price)
Posted June 29, 2013
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DrRoxo: Bah, bunch of entitled whining...

First, additions are either cosmetic, non-essential to anyone's gameplay or not even part of it. Skins, one random-ass map that adds nothing to story or experience. Soundtrack alone is worth at least 10 measly bucks (seriously, Kirill is a legend). And then there are dev diary videos which, like OST, have nothing to do with actual gameplay.

Even, if you disregard all that: this is Larian we're talking about. It's not EA, not Ubisoft and not Activision. They're the ones who decided to make this game DRM-free, which is practically non-existent with games of this calibre. And what's more important, they're good guys.

Now stop bloody whining, it's embarrassing.
I agree with the entire middle of your argument. To my eyes nothing in the "premium" pack is required for fully and completely playing the game, and based on previous Divinity soundtracks, this one will be worth the cost alone. Plus, anyone who's bought one of their games here knows how generous Larian is with added extras, and they really do support DRM free. Whether or not this is a good move, I believe 100% that it's intended without malice.

But then there's the comments you chose as bookends...

The word "entitled" has been used so often to tell people that paid products are allowed to be bug-ridden, incomplete or gutted that its only conversational use is as a red flag.

The reason people are "whining" is because they've been on the thin edge of the wedge before, and they know how steeply it ramps up. eg. online activation --> limited activations --> always on. DLC and free-to-play similarly morphed into ugly things. Gamers have been bludgeoned into learning to scream early and often (and as with the recent Xbone debacle, sometimes that even works). Admittedly, it would be nice if anything new were greeted with a little less hysteria - surely GOG deserves more trust - but people would be ostriches if they didn't express their concerns.
Posted June 29, 2013
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DyNaer: i have no doubt the gog version will be compatible the vault version for MP , since both are drm-free

Now if you look the post of larian forum & raze answer:

there will be a problem with a drm free copy (gog / vault) and a Steam copy for MP -> reason the retail box will come with both version .... :(
Good, but GOG should really clarify it, even if it means implying there's another place to get a DRM-free version. Right now, it looks like "there are two locked multiplayer ecosystems, and one is larger than the other". It should be "there are two multiplayer ecosystems, one locked, one unlocked". Literally,

"Multiplayer notice: The game's multiplayer mode is compatible only with DRM-free versions of the game. "
Posted June 29, 2013
Game looks pretty sweet. Cant wait to play it.
Posted June 29, 2013
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zlep: But then there's the comments you chose as bookends...
Ok listen, I was a bit riled up when I wrote that post. I apologise for the burst, it was inappropriate and my choice of descriptors was really poor.

I do understand the backlash of (part of) community though, I've been on GOG long enough for that. It just makes me sad that people don't have much trust in Larian and, failing that, in GOG ... Both companies have proven time & time that they care about their respective communities and in my opinion they earned our thrust. Then again, can't really force my opinion on others :)

So yeah, hopefully there's no bad blood between us.
Posted June 29, 2013
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DyNaer: i have no doubt the gog version will be compatible the vault version for MP , since both are drm-free

Now if you look the post of larian forum & raze answer:

there will be a problem with a drm free copy (gog / vault) and a Steam copy for MP -> reason the retail box will come with both version .... :(
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Starmaker: Good, but GOG should really clarify it, even if it means implying there's another place to get a DRM-free version. Right now, it looks like "there are two locked multiplayer ecosystems, and one is larger than the other". It should be "there are two multiplayer ecosystems, one locked, one unlocked". Literally,

"Multiplayer notice: The game's multiplayer mode is compatible only with DRM-free versions of the game. "
totaly agree with you, but to be sure at 100%, an answer from Raze is better , i simply put what seems logical to me.
Posted June 29, 2013
I keep hearing that those Larian Studios guys are cool. I've attached my first impression of their games, and consequently of them. Anyone want to give me a summary of why the Larian Studios guys are cool, and maybe inform me that the women in those screenshots are court jesters? :p
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Posted June 29, 2013
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Adzeth: I keep hearing that those Larian Studios guys are cool. I've attached my first impression of their games, and consequently of them. Anyone want to give me a summary of why the Larian Studios guys are cool, and maybe inform me that the women in those screenshots are court jesters? :p
I looked at you tiny screenshots and honestly I have no idea what is supposed to be wrong or "uncool" with them.

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mqstout: Quoting in agreement. Even though I Kickstarted your game, I do *not* appreciate you taking this approach. It makes you slimey. I don't like that I'm already in a business relationship a company that would so something so wrong and anti-consumer.
Then it probably means that you totally stopped buying non-indy games 5 years ago....
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Gersen
Posted June 29, 2013
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Bloodygoodgames: I love GOG but I think it's a shame they've allowed this and, yes, it also makes me think less of Larian who are basically trying to squeeze every penny out of their customers.
By giving people an extra free bonus if they pre-order, or for having a completely optional DLC that doesn't detract from the game at all if you choose not to buy it?

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Bloodygoodgames: As it stands now, I doubt I'll buy the game at all as I detest supporting this kind of thing.
You are not using Windows, are you? That has versions with extra features you probably don't need which you can pay extra for. With Windows 7/8 the extra features are already on the disk and you can pay to unlock them. That is day 1 DLC, right there.

Do you also never buy movies if a special edition exists? That is extra stuff you don't really need, but could be nice to have if you like the movie, and which they want extra money for (unless it is on sale for the regular version price at release, for example, which is not uncommon).

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Starmaker: any word on the availability of the Dragon Commander physical box from the Vault?
No, but I've asked about that.

The wording could be phrased better on GOG's DC page. I'm pretty sure it means it is only compatible with the version that they sell (DRM free), though can certainly be read as the version that they sell is only compatible with itself. I'll double check that.

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Adzeth: I've attached my first impression of their games, and consequently of them.
Your first impressions of 3 released Divinity games (50-100 hours each) and the 2 upcoming games, are summed up by a tiny image of two particular male and female characters that are dressed differently? Because that never happens in the real world... so obviously the company must be sexist?
Post edited June 29, 2013 by Raze_Larian
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