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General discussion (archive)Pre-order update: Divinity: Dragon Commander: The Imperial Edition(144 posts)(144 posts)
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Posted June 28, 2013
Divine Divinity for free and even more reasons to pre-order the upcoming innovative fantasy RTS!

[url=http://www.gog.com/gamecard/divinity_dragon_commander]Divinity: Dragon Commander is an upcoming multi-layered real-time strategy game with a fantastic setting, epic scale, and many original ideas making it a breath of fresh air in the genre, and it's currently available for pre-orders on GOG.com, for $39.99. The game's release is currently planned for August 6, and if you pre-ordered it, plan to pre-order it, or are generally interested in great RTS games, we've got some important news for you!

Larian Studios, the game's creators, announced there will be two editions of the game available at the release. The version you'll be getting if you pre-order on GOG.com before August 6 now becomes the extended Imperial Edition, which contains the game's additional launch content: a development documentary video, an extra campaign map, an additional golden skin for your Dragon Emperor, and the game's soundtrack. The pre-order period is your chance to grab the game and all of the additional content for just $39.99.

If you decide not to take the pre-order route and get the game after the release for $39.99, you'll still be able to upgrade your version with the aforementioned development documentary video, extra map, golden dragon skin, and game soundtrack via the additional $9.99 "Imperial Edition Upgrade". Yes, this basically means that early adopters receive $9.99 worth of content with their pre-ordered copy, free of charge, thus becoming the owners of the most robust version of the game available on launch day.

Video: Divinity Dragon Commander: Imperial Edition Call to Arms!

The other thing Larian Studios is offering to GOG.com pre-ordering customers is a complimentary free copy of their classic Divine Divinity action-RPG. This will be a GOG.com copy, mind you, so the free game itself also comes with tons of valueble bonus content (and don't forget about the first free game you got out of this deal: Master of Magic!). This gift from Larian is meant to make up for the fact, that due to technical reasons the developer can't offer early beta access to GOG.com buyers.

Bottom line: Pre-order Divinity: Dragon Commander on GOG.com for $39.99 before August 6, to get the exclusive Imperial Edition of the game + free Divine Divinity & Master of Magic!

Now, just to keep things transparent, a post-bottom line. This announcement might made some of our veteran users raise their eyebrows once or twice, and we feel it is important to address the fact that we're taking a new route with this release. First of all, this is the first time on GOG.com that a single game will be simultanously available in two different versions, one of them standard and the other one with addtional content. We believe this gives more freedom of choice to our users, and increasingly, this is where a lot of newer titles are going: selling additional content like soundtracks and so on at a premium. It's important to note that GOG won't be doing this with our classic releases, as the GOG.com policy for those always has been and will be to make every release as complete, comprehensive, and filled with free bonus content as possible. For new titles we would like to offer both the gamers and the developer more flexibility to make their mutual deals the way they want to. Furthermore, as time progresses and new releases become a de facto part of our back-catalog, we'll be trying to re-negotiate our deals to include soundtracks and more bonus content with those as well.

We hope this answers most of your questions regarding the new solutions we're testing here. Our recent user survey allows us to remain optimistic about your feedback. If you have any questions regarding these new steps we're taking or the (highly recommended!) Divinity: Dragon Commander pre-order offer, we encourage you to ask them in the forums.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by Chamb
Posted June 28, 2013
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Immoli: How about you two fuck off? :)
Really classy.

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Immoli: Also, just so you know, when someone buys something they actually ARE entitled.
That coming from a person who in a post before hints towards pirating the game. I'm sure you know all about entitlement ;)
Post edited June 28, 2013 by DrRoxo
Posted June 28, 2013
You should be glad that Larian is giving us this stuff for free when you preorder it, and not bitch about it.

Would you rather just get the base version of the game without an option to get any extra content? Nobody forces you to buy it, just ignore it. And if you don't need to play it immediately and you would rather wait, then do it. But you can't expect that you'll get the preorder bonus when you'll buy it on the sale with e.g. 66% off. That would just not be fair for all those people who preordered it to support Larian and GOG.

It's absolutely normal to sell various versions of software product or additional content. It works like that for long years.
Try to convince Microsoft for example to sell their Windows Home Basic with all the features from Ultimate for the price of Home. Good luck.

It's just some extra content. The map and golden skin is nothing I would cry for. For me the real value is in the soundtrack and the making of documentary. But still, all this content is rather for enthusiasts who has already preordered it. It's not the vital part of the game, it's just a nice extra bonus. And as I've already said, nobody forces you to buy it.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by MichiGen
Posted June 28, 2013
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flibbyjibbits: Does this mean that people who bought it here, where it was the first available way other than kickstarter,
Kickstarter ? Are you sure you are not mistaking the game for another one, it never was on Kickstarter.
Posted June 28, 2013
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JaqFrost: Are they going to be separate codes, or just a single thing with all three games, like GOG usually does? I don't want different freebies, but I'd love to be able to give them to someone else and since I have one but not the other... there would be a bit of a problem with redeeming a singular code.
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Maighstir: Games given by GOG in similar promotions (like, say, the The Witcher 2 Europe/Australia pricing thing) have been separate codes. No idea about this one though.
We'll make it so you can give away the bonus games if you already own them, or aren't interested in them.
Posted June 28, 2013
So could I buy the soundtrack separately for $9.99? Or would I need to own the game?
The game looks nice, and is on my wishlist, but it is a *lot* too high for my game purchase price (I know they need to make money to live, but I need it too). Yet the chance of a soundtrack, at an okay price is not too shabby.

I also really appreciate that GOG want to renegotiate to re-bundle the games after a couple of years. That is real customer service as many games come with a standard and SE, CE, PE versions on release and I can live with that. Yet the idea of me buying the standard version now because I can afford it, then after 2~3 years getting a 'pass' to an upgraded version when the game is a little older and the price of the bundles is negligible for keeping them open is really nice.
Something you do not get with most stores, and something I really look forward to GOG accomplishing.
Posted June 28, 2013
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flibbyjibbits: Does this mean that people who bought it here, where it was the first available way other than kickstarter,
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Gersen: Kickstarter ? Are you sure you are not mistaking the game for another one, it never was on Kickstarter.
Dragon Commander pre-orders were included with some of the pledge tiers in the Divinity: Original Sin campaign, and they can be redeemed through GOG (or Steam, or directly from Larian).
Posted June 28, 2013
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Adzeth: It almost seems like they really want people to buy it before anyone gets to review it :p
Except, of course, that lots of people have been able to review pre-release and beta versions.

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Roman5: Dear Larian studios, this is a dirty move where you sell things which should be originally in the game to begin with for an additional price and try to make it look like a "Premium" edition, many studios and publishers do the same shit on Steam and other places
So documentaries and remastered soundtracks are a standard feature of games?

Let's see if I have this right... You will not pre-order the game, because that would give you a free bonus that would would have to pay for if you didn't pre-order the game?

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HiPhish: This effectively means Larian has cut out content, that's already done for the game's launch to sell as day-one DLC or a preorder bonus for people who don't mind gambling away 40$. Well done, Larian.
So... a map of the earth should obviously be in a game set in Rivellon (in a fantasy universe), so that was something cut out to make day 1 DLC... ???

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mqstout: Maps aren't cosmetic. And if it's such a small bit, why's it $10?
And 1 campaign map when there are a bunch of different maps available is hardly critical, especially when it does not fit within the game universe.

What value would you place on the remastered soundtrack, documentary, extra map, etc? If it is less than $10, then wait for it to go on sale, or wait for a price drop, or wait for it to be bundled with the game, or don't get it. Just like every other DLC.

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flibbyjibbits: Does this mean that people who bought it here, where it was the first available way other than kickstarter, aren't able to play with people who get it on steam, which will probably be a larger proportion of the playerbase?
The GOG version doesn't use Steamworks, so AFAIK it doesn't look like there will be an easy way to play online between GOG and Steam versions. There are programs that can let you set up virtual LANs online, so that could be an option if you wanted to play with specific people.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by Raze_Larian
Posted June 28, 2013
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Raze_Larian: So documentaries and remastered soundtracks are a standard feature of games?
documentaries no , but if you look at the witcher serie for example , they were free of charge , so ....you have a comparaison.

paying for a making of (well that's i call it), it's just a move to get a bit more money . Hopefully it's not the only bonus.

Soundtrack , let's see, i consider a soundtrack worth to be paided when it comes as equal quality as a physical good. -> I speak of losseless format.

in my gog's games i have only one game soundtrack in FLAC..... :( , but well i don't blame GOG for others soundtrack, because they came as free bonus content .

So i'm sorry paying for lossy soundtrack --> no way. It's applying to the Larian Vault aswell , you should really offering losseless format at your digital shop.

This is only applying after release of the game , right now it's free. But considering some people can't afford a game at full price and wait for a promo....... i could understand them.

Now, i speak for others ; because i backered Original SIn , and have a copy of DC in my tiers.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by DyNaer
Posted June 28, 2013
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Raze_Larian: So documentaries and remastered soundtracks are a standard feature of games?
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DyNaer: documentaries no , but if you look at the witcher serie for example , they were free of charge , so ....you have a comparaison.
paying for a making of (well that's i call it), it's just a move to get a bit more money . Hopefully it's not the only bonus.
Then again, The Witcher games came in more than just the base version - each was differently priced & essentially you *were* paying for bonus content such as OST and developer diaries.

Now, GOG does sell some of those add-ons (the digital ones) together with the game (btw, can anyone tell me, if those were available since day one? genuinely interested, not trying to come across as asshat), but we can't just go around the fact that GOG is a subsidiary of CD Projekt RED, the same company that made The Witcher games, so maybe The Witcher isn't exactly the most representative/fair game for you to use in comparison with DC.

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DyNaer: Soundtrack , let's see, i consider a soundtrack worth to be paided when it comes as equal quality as a physical good. -> I speak of losseless format.

in my gog's games i have only one game soundtrack in FLAC..... :( , but well i don't blame GOG for others soundtrack, because they came as free bonus content .

So i'm sorry paying for lossy soundtrack --> no way. It's applying to the Larian Vault aswell , you should really offering losseless format at your digital shop.
Sorry, I don't get what you mean with this? It sounds like you want your music in a lossless format? From what I remember, FLAC == Free Lossless Audio Codec. Help me out, what am I missing/misinterpreting here?

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DyNaer: This is only applying after release of the game , right now it's free. But considering some people can't afford a game at full price and wait for a promo....... i could understand them.
Nobody is forcing people to buy DC. The cosmetic stuff is a nice bonus, if you're into that kind of thing, and it very well might entice more people into buying the game (which is its purpose, after all), but it's not forcing you to buy the game. If the price is too much, but you'd still like to play DC, then just wait - give it some time and eventually the price will go down. GOG does have frequent & amazing sales :)

If you're worried about not getting bonus content, don't be. First, there's nothing that would affect a gameplay, which is always important. Second, GOG mentions re-negotiated deal as part of desired future. Since we're talking about GOG and Larian Studios, I have no doubt they will figure something out - both companies seem to care a great deal about their user/fan-base and it has to show somewhere ;)

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DyNaer: Now, i speak for others ; because i backered Original SIn , and have a copy of DC in my tiers.
Glad to hear that! :) It really took every backer on KS (and PayPal) to reach that illusive last stretch goal. So, thanks for helping out! Now we play the waiting game... Hopefully the reward will be a well made RPG.

Anyway, have a great day o/
Posted June 28, 2013
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DrRoxo: Then again, The Witcher games came in more than just the base version - each was differently priced & essentially you *were* paying for bonus content such as OST and developer diaries.
i spoke of the digital release ;) (sorry i should have been must more specific)

and the physical collector's edition of the witcher 2 worth is price

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DrRoxo: Sorry, I don't get what you mean with this? It sounds like you want your music in a lossless format? From what I remember, FLAC == Free Lossless Audio Codec. Help me out, what am I missing/misinterpreting here?
Ok; i will make it short : MP3 = lossy format ; when you get a soundtrack in the quality, there are some data which were lost during the transcoding from the master soundtrack , due the fact this format (all loosy) use a compression method which is destructive for reducing the file size of each track.

FLAC; or another losseless format = the quality is equal to the master soundtrack , because the compression isn't destructive.

so when you see on internet , many soundtracks sold , they ain't equal to a phycical copy.

the exception, is when some soundtracks ain't intented to be released in lheir original quality (even if you get a physical good) . The first which come in mind is the Soundtrack of The Edler Scrolls IV.

It's just bad practice to consider a digital soundtrack (mp3) worth a physical CD (with the case of Oblivion , you can't do anything)

I know, what will say some people ; it doesn't matter , because you need good audio material to hear the difference -> i answer simply that's not a reason to fool people.

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DrRoxo: If you're worried about not getting bonus content, don't be. First, there's nothing that would affect a gameplay, which is always important. Second, GOG mentions re-negotiated deal as part of desired future. Since we're talking about GOG and Larian Studios, I have no doubt they will figure something out - both companies seem to care a great deal about their user/fan-base and it has to show somewhere ;)
I'm not really bothered , because the bonus are small (except for the soundtrack , yeah i like games soundtracks ^^ )
i just hope they ain't gonna release some DLC after that.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by DyNaer
Posted June 28, 2013
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DyNaer: documentaries no , but if you look at the witcher serie for example , they were free of charge , so ....you have a comparaison.
If you look at the size / sales of Larian and CD Projekt RED, you have another comparison.

Anyway, my point was that content in the Imperial Edition was not stuff that could reasonably be expected to be in the game to start with, or content that was cut out to make DLC. The development documentary, remastered version of the soundtrack, overview of all the choices and consequences in the game, extra (non-Rivellon) campaign map, and golden skin for the dragon knight are extras. Whether the perceived value matches the eventual release price, as a free pre-order bonus I really don't understand the negative reactions.

If certain troops were only available in the DLC, or the main game only had 1 map to start with, etc, then I could see people having a problem.

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DrRoxo: It sounds like you want your music in a lossless format? From what I remember, FLAC == Free Lossless Audio Codec. Help me out, what am I missing/misinterpreting here?
That's correct. The kickstarter page stated the D:OS digital soundtrack would be lossless, but I don't recall seeing that specifically confirmed for the DC soundtrack (didn't look). However, I think the music currently in the Vault is all mp3.
Posted June 28, 2013
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Raze_Larian: If you look at the size / sales of Larian and CD Projekt RED, you have another comparison.
To be honest , i haven't access to those data, so i can't.

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Raze_Larian: That's correct. The kickstarter page stated the D:OS digital soundtrack would be lossless, but I don't recall seeing that specifically confirmed for the DC soundtrack (didn't look). However, I think the music currently in the Vault is all mp3.
Sadly, Larian vault offers only mp3 :( (i tried in the past)

i wish it will offers FLAC format, i like the music from the composer :)

For DC, i simply assumed it was in mp3, because of Dvinity II soundtrack (the original game, i don't know for the DKS), even the cd in the collector box isn't complete (it's a shame) and the larian vault offers only the mp3 format....

And now i stop to buy collector's edition , because , the soundtrack is half of the time not complete.
Post edited June 28, 2013 by DyNaer
Posted June 28, 2013
The only thing that bothers me about this even slightly is the extra map. Selling the soundtrack separately? Fine; that's a long-standing tradition, I never expect a game I buy to come with a free soundtrack. The documentary? It's not part of the game, so why should I think that I should get it when I buy the game? View it as a free extra bundled with the $9.99 soundtrack. The gold dragon thing? Whatever; cosmetic fluff. A map seems slightly more substantial, and I feel that in-game content is best handled as DLC. Handling it this way means that anyone who wants the map, but doesn't want to spend $10 on a soundtrack he'll never listen to and a documentary he'll never watch, is out of luck.

Still, not super upset or anything--this isn't even really my type of game, so I certainly won't pre-order it. If I do eventually decide to buy it, it will be the cheap version, and I don't suppose thoughts of the extra map will keep me up at night.
Posted June 29, 2013
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DyNaer: Soundtrack , let's see, i consider a soundtrack worth to be paided when it comes as equal quality as a physical good. -> I speak of losseless format.

in my gog's games i have only one game soundtrack in FLAC..... :( , but well i don't blame GOG for others soundtrack, because they came as free bonus content .

So i'm sorry paying for lossy soundtrack --> no way. It's applying to the Larian Vault aswell , you should really offering losseless format at your digital shop.
This i understand, particularly in 2013 where there are services like Bandcamp that let us choose the format we want our music in, Larian should off the music in lossless format particularly if they are selling it. I certainly feel if I am buying digital music I want it in lossless not lossy, ESP if the price is virtually the same as the CD.

It's the one thing I really like about Humble Bundles, they generally include both the MP3 and FLAC versions of soundtracks.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by tarasis
Posted June 29, 2013
Eh somewhat uncomfortable move, but if it helps gog bring in newer games then I can accept it. As long as standard procedure has the game being merged into a single edition after it is no longer updated. I won't be buying the game untill that occurs.
Post edited June 29, 2013 by MichaelFurlong
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General discussion (archive)Pre-order update: Divinity: Dragon Commander: The Imperial Edition(144 posts)(144 posts)
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