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wanna join me and pimpmonkey?as I said,Protoss is really overreacting for such a minor issue and I'm sure the german governament want to distance themselves as much as possible from the nazi party(doesn't mean we can't put Godwin's law on everything)
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tinyE: He's comparing game censorship to a group of people that murdered 5 million Jews and he takes issue with my post.

Okay what planet are we on?
What's Wolfenstein? =P

Meh, didn't follow the series...so I guess I won't be getting the game.
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l0rdtr3k: wanna join me and pimpmonkey?as I said,Protoss is really overreacting for such a minor issue and I'm sure the german governament want to distance themselves as much as possible from the nazi party(doesn't mean we can't put Godwin's law on everything)
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tinyE: He's comparing game censorship to a group of people that murdered 5 million Jews and he takes issue with my post.

Okay what planet are we on?
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l0rdtr3k:
You bring the women, I'll bring the booze. Lets do it.
wtf! xD
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Protoss: They essentially forbid you to fight against nazis in video games. How can they not be some themselves then?
The laws that disallowed the use of certain Nazi imagery were first enacted by the Allies as a part of the denazification process. Revoking denazification laws was obviously not an option for a post-war Germany that was struggling to regain the world's trust, nor is it politically viable now when new Nazi groups are getting up to 30% of votes in certain parts of the country and right-wing terrorists could go around murdering foreigners for years.

You are calling the people Nazis that freed our country from a dictatorship that we could not shake off ourselves, great.

As someone who has a decidedly left-wing mindset and was active in Anti-Nazi groups, I am deeply ashamed that someone who claims to hold similar views presents such an asinine thread in this forum, with childishly clueless reasoning and without researching the facts.
Post edited April 17, 2014 by Psyringe
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Protoss: Germany is even worse than Iran, Russia and North Korea in terms of censorship.
You obviously don't know what you're saying. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Or, you know, try to go live in North Korea, just to see.
I wasn't going to get the game because of:
a) DRM
b) I'd have to get it on my 360 otherwise, and I don't want that
c) Bethesda are not good people (fill that last bit in with any word you feel accurately reflects "not good people")

So... count me in?
The game kinda looked good for a few reasons, mostly the devs not liking modern shooter trends, but now I just don't want it that much anymore. Enemy Front look promising to anyone else?
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Protoss: They essentially forbid you to fight against nazis in video games. How can they not be some themselves then?
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Psyringe: The laws that disallowed the use of certain Nazi imagery were first enacted by the Allies as a part of the denazification process. Revoking denazification laws was obviously not an option for a post-war Germany that was struggling to regain the world's trust, nor is it politically viable when new Nazi groups are getting up to 30% of votes in ceratin parts of the country and right-wing terrorists could go around murdering foreigners for years.

You are calling the people Nazis that freed our country from a dictatorship that we could not shake off ourselves, great.

As someone who has a decidedly left-wing mindset and was active in Anti-Nazi groups, I am deeply ashamed that someone who claims to hold similar views presents such an asinine thread in this forum, with childishly clueless reasoning and without researching the facts.
So why is nazi symbolism allowed in the U.S. then?

If it is part of the denazification process, then this means we must have lots of nazis still here, otherwise we wouldn't need those censorship laws anymore.
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Protoss: Germany is even worse than Iran, Russia and North Korea in terms of censorship.
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xa_chan: You obviously don't know what you're saying. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Or, you know, try to go live in North Korea, just to see.
Well, human rights in general are worse there (labor camps, etc.) but in terms of censorship, they don't lead. I don't see North Korea on ANY list of countries that prohibit you to use software you bought anywhere else. I don't see North Korea on the top list of Youtube videos (funnily enough, that is corporate censorship because the German music right guys are too greedy and the government does not care because Germans don't need art).

And yes, I do count in government surveillance of phone/internet into censorship. The western countries are pretty much on par with dictatorships there nowadays.
Post edited April 17, 2014 by Protoss
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Protoss: Germany is even worse than Iran, Russia and North Korea in terms of censorship.
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xa_chan: You obviously don't know what you're saying. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Or, you know, try to go live in North Korea, just to see.
See North Korea for my dislike of North Koreans. Also, it's fun reading an NK newspaper.
I have no reason to boycott it, but it certainly hasn't interested me enough to bother with it until I see it for under $10.
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Psyringe: The laws that disallowed the use of certain Nazi imagery were first enacted by the Allies as a part of the denazification process. Revoking denazification laws was obviously not an option for a post-war Germany that was struggling to regain the world's trust, nor is it politically viable when new Nazi groups are getting up to 30% of votes in ceratin parts of the country and right-wing terrorists could go around murdering foreigners for years.

You are calling the people Nazis that freed our country from a dictatorship that we could not shake off ourselves, great.

As someone who has a decidedly left-wing mindset and was active in Anti-Nazi groups, I am deeply ashamed that someone who claims to hold similar views presents such an asinine thread in this forum, with childishly clueless reasoning and without researching the facts.
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Protoss: So why is nazi symbolism allowed in the U.S. then?

If it is part of the denazification process, then this means we must have lots of nazis still here, otherwise we wouldn't need those censorship laws anymore.
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xa_chan: You obviously don't know what you're saying. Please stop embarrassing yourself. Or, you know, try to go live in North Korea, just to see.
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Protoss: Well, human rights in general are worse there (labor camps, etc.) but in terms of censorship, they don't lead.

And yes, I do count in government surveillance of phone/internet into censorship. The western countries are pretty much on par with dictatorships there nowadays.
Because here in America we have something called FREEDOM. Freedom of speech isn't just the right to say things that others agree with, it's also the right to say things that other DON'T agree with. This concept has sadly become antithetical to those in many other places around the world.

Also, remember that when the nazis came to power in Germany, one of the first things they did was ban the communist party. When the Russians took Berlin and ended the war in Europe in 1945, one of the first things they did was ban the nazi party. Seeing a pattern here?
You really need to experiment in your own flesh what is to live in a country that have A REAL censorship or human rights violated, freedom of speech censoring etc, like in venezuela, cuba, north korea, china, argentina(in this particular moment) or pretty much all africa,middle east or south and central america in general (not all countries but most of them)
Then come into this thread again to complain about how is germany compared to those countries..
Post edited April 17, 2014 by GastonArg
Well, this is weird. As a person living in Germany too, I also do not like the restrictions and censorship put in place by these various institutions here, although the mentioned game is of no interest for me.
If you want to change the situation, join a movement and become politicly active, do not only flame around here making stupid comparisons with Nazis.
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Protoss: So why is nazi symbolism allowed in the U.S. then?
Because the US never used those symbols in a dictatorship that started a world war and committed mass genocide, perhaps?

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Protoss: If it is part of the denazification process, then this means we must have lots of nazis still here, otherwise we wouldn't need those censorship laws anymore.
That is the same childishly crude reasoning as in your first post. I'm sorry, but reality tends to be more complex than that.

I already explained why the laws are still in place, please read my previous post. If you disagree with them (which in itself would be nothing wrong), Urnoev just gave good advice on what to do.

However, based on past experience I believe that you are unlikely to listen to arguments that run counter to whichever simplistic reasoning you made up for the moment. I'm sorry, but I don't think it's worthwhile to try and argue with you over statements so incredibly silly and self-defeating. Therefore, I'll just repeat how deeply ashamed I am about the way how you are misrepresenting anti-Nazi workers as a bunch of crackpots with no solid reasoning.
Post edited April 17, 2014 by Psyringe
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Protoss: Germany is even worse than Iran, Russia and North Korea in terms of censorship.
This is by far the most ignorant thing I've read all week, and it's already Thursday.