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Vagabond: I find it funny people find this conviction sad. The fuckers deserve to go to jail.

Explain. (Even though I think you're being funny.)
Post edited April 17, 2009 by michaelleung
The industry wont change. It's big, old, and too high above everyone else, sitting in a throne of money, to change. It will just sue the planet back to the stone era, with its limitless supply of cash. 25 years ago, the courts favoured the people on the betamax vs vhs case, but back then, the courts were on the common peoples' side. Now they are on corporations' side, from all the dedicated work from their career lobbyists. They're basically in their pockets now. And they are extending their ratio of operations in other jurisdictions like formerly fair unbiased sweden, norway, etc. I hope these verdict gets overturned in a higher instance.
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Vagabond: I find it funny people find this conviction sad. The fuckers deserve to go to jail.
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michaelleung: Explain. (Even though I think you're being funny.)

Because they helped found something that contributes to the overall decline of PC gaming.
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michaelleung: Explain. (Even though I think you're being funny.)
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Vagabond: Because they helped found something that contributes to the overall decline of PC gaming.

OK, I'll give you that. But wouldn't that be 100% the uploaders' fault? Torrents can be used for good, even though it doesn't sound right in my head.
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Vagabond: Because they helped found something that contributes to the overall decline of PC gaming.

Could you provide me with figures that indeed the entire pc gaming industry worldwide is in decline?
Because I can't and I need your help in enlightening me.
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TapeWorm: Yay! They lost!
/me runs and hides from the pitchforks and torches...
Yeah I'm just trolling you. But seriously though I'm not surprised. As far as I'm concerned the prosecution could have walked in with a paper doll and said "Your honor, this is a paper doll. This paper doll is made of paper. We rest our case. Lulz." and the judge would have ruled in their favour. I don't know whether this was because of corruption, bias or some other reason, but I'll leave that up to smarter people (I know nothing of software) than myself to figure out.

It's because THEY DON'T GET IT. They don't know how torrents work, the court, prosecution, doesn't know. If they did know how it works, and how it can benefit people as well, things would be different.
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Vagabond: Because they helped found something that contributes to the overall decline of PC gaming.
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Zhirek: Could you provide me with figures that indeed the entire pc gaming industry worldwide is in decline?
Because I can't and I need your help in enlightening me.

Not decline in quality, decline in sales. I think Googling "pc sales charts" is sufficient.
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michaelleung: OK, I'll give you that. But wouldn't that be 100% the uploaders' fault? Torrents can be used for good, even though it doesn't sound right in my head.

you don't fight against uploading warez on your site = you support them
warez = crime
supporting criminals = crime -> you = criminal
Simple as that. Yes, you can tell me I'm wrong, but laws don't know any grey zone, they're binary - you either violate them or no. Therefore all what violates law is crime, no matter how you look at it.
Post edited April 17, 2009 by klaymen
That reminds me of those stupid ads I see when I buy legit movies, you know, those "You woudn't steal a handbag" ads. I don't see how torrents are the same. In fact, look here. Imprisioning TBP admins and some guy who gave them money for servers sets a bad precedent. What will happen to other sites that deal in perfectly legal files?
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michaelleung: Explain. (Even though I think you're being funny.)
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Vagabond: Because they helped found something that contributes to the overall decline of PC gaming.

Google does that too. Why arent they found guilty?
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Zhirek: Could you provide me with figures that indeed the entire pc gaming industry worldwide is in decline?
Because I can't and I need your help in enlightening me.
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Vagabond: Not decline in quality, decline in sales. I think Googling "pc sales charts" is sufficient.

And that's sort of what I did.
Look here is a simple example of how the industry is growing.
And if you look further you find more of these figures and you must then by only viewing the figures (not by reading biased articles written by or sponsored by malafide organizations) come to the same conclusion as I have made, namely that the there is no such thing as a decline in pc games.
Funny thing is, not only is the games industry growing every year but also the number of people who download stuff.....
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michaelleung: That reminds me of those stupid ads I see when I buy legit movies, you know, those "You woudn't steal a handbag" ads. I don't see how torrents are the same. In fact, look here. Imprisioning TBP admins and some guy who gave them money for servers sets a bad precedent. What will happen to other sites that deal in perfectly legal files?

Stealing a (crappy, worthless, overpriced) handbag =/= downloading torrents. Digital bits of info are not solid goods that travel in one place at one given time. They can be copied 1 thousand tenfold, no one loses anything. "sales potentially lost" are nothing but hot air, spawned by the greedy lawyers of the RIAA/MPAA and related industries.
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michaelleung: That reminds me of those stupid ads I see when I buy legit movies, you know, those "You woudn't steal a handbag" ads. I don't see how torrents are the same. In fact, look here. Imprisioning TBP admins and some guy who gave them money for servers sets a bad precedent. What will happen to other sites that deal in perfectly legal files?
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drmlessgames: Stealing a (crappy, worthless, overpriced) handbag =/= downloading torrents. Digital bits of info are not solid goods that travel in one place at one given time. They can be copied 1 thousand tenfold, no one loses anything. "sales potentially lost" are nothing but hot air, spawned by the greedy lawyers of the RIAA/MPAA and related industries.

Tell that to Hollywood.
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drmlessgames: Stealing a (crappy, worthless, overpriced) handbag =/= downloading torrents. Digital bits of info are not solid goods that travel in one place at one given time. They can be copied 1 thousand tenfold, no one loses anything. "sales potentially lost" are nothing but hot air, spawned by the greedy lawyers of the RIAA/MPAA and related industries.
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michaelleung: Tell that to Hollywood.

Hollywood lost its credibility a long time ago.
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Vagabond: Because they helped found something that contributes to the overall decline of PC gaming.
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Zhirek: Could you provide me with figures that indeed the entire pc gaming industry worldwide is in decline?
Because I can't and I need your help in enlightening me.

The perception is that piracy is causing massive losses in the PC gaming arena. This perception is the thing that drives a lack of innovation, lack of backbone when it comes to taking risks, the adoption of increasingly draconian DRM and the denial of the market by publishers who go console exclusive in the impression that piracy will be less.
It doesn't matter a jot if thats what REALLY happens, the decisions are based on the PERCEPTION. In that regard, vagabond's point is quite valid.
Personally I think the prison term is excessive, the fine is more than enough to break them for life