this is a bit older then internet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.

So it means "which has to be demonstrated"?

If so it reads:

mobutu: You are wrong.
I am not buying (the correct term is renting thou) games on steam.

SimonG: which has to be demonstrated.

That doesn't make any sense.

no, it means that his reply proved simonG's point, which it did.

"there is nobody here who is not..." sarcastic
"you are wrong, I do not...." taken literally
"which proves my point - q.e.d."

SimonG was sarcastic, which means that the meaning of his post was opposite of what he said, that there are quite a lot of people here who are fundamantaly against steam. So when Mobutu jumped in it proved his point. Q.E.D.

Thanks for explaining. I didn't realise Simon G was being sarcastic.

I have come to learn that whatever SimonG says, I tend to go for the opposite. It is his nature as a lawyer, I guess.

Lol, he might sue you for that :D

(Sorry for the late reply.)

That might have been true if the guy pulling stuff out of his arse was the adversary, but since it's the OP that would not really be the adult thing to do.

Here's my understanding of how things went: The OP confronted the other person because he knew he was pro-DRM. The OP made a claim that cannot be substantiated (that DRM is ruining the game industry). His argument got shot down because there's no logical way he could have won. He was annoyed by that and came here to complain.

The adult thing to do would be to say: "I'm sorry, I was a bit over zealous when I argued with you before. I admit I can't prove that DRM is ruining the game industry, but I have some links to articles about the dangers and folly of DRM, which I'd be happy to send to you."

The adolescent thing to do would be to brand the other guy as unreasonable just because he won an argument, and then walk away based on that premise, or, worse, tell him he's unreasonable (or something to this effect) and walk away. This removes any possibility for the OP to learn from his mistakes during this argument, or for his opponent (and onlookers) to get any indication that his position isn't perfect.

"External factors" can also mean buying, or not buying, something on principle. For example, I think "someone" has said plain out he will never again buy a game from CDPR, because he hates the company for using a law firm sending letters to alleged pirates of Witcher 2. What if the next game from CDPR is truly kickass, and the said person decides to "miss out" on a great game for such an external factor?

I don't really see the difference to not buying a game because it has DRM that the person in question does not like, or because it is released only in a streaming service.

I have also let such external factors affect my buying decisions. For example, I bought Witcher 1-2 from GOG for a default price (IIRC) even though I didn't even have a PC to run them on at that time. Or, I decided to pass buying SPAZ until they keep their promise of releasing it DRM-free, after they had once broken their promise. But when they finally did, I fulfilled my part of the promise, and got the game (part of HiB).

I wouldn't be surprised either that I will buy the next CDPR game for a full price when it comes out, and a big part of that decision would be to show support towards both GOG and CDPR for what kickass companies they are with e.g. their DRM-free policy.

(But if I hear the game is truly terrible and doesn't work, then I'll pass. I'm not stupid you know. :))

For e.g. Steam/Origin/UPlay/etc. games, I'm overall somewhat reluctant to buy them because I feel it sends the wrong message to the publishers that I am fine with their DRM, regardless of the greatness of a given game. But I still do buy, but I try to minimize the damages (like buying them always only very deeply discounted, postponing getting the games etc.).

But the "play weekend for free" promos in Steam are nifty though for playing a demo, just like they are on the OnLive service. I think I know already now that I can pass Left 4 Dead games from Steam, at least so far I've been overly bored with L4D2.

That thread is still going?

Wow.

Anyway. I don't support DRM.

I support developers and publishers.

You support yourself. Your view is more valuable than anyone elses, obviously.

Oh snap!

+1

I support the games that I want to play.

That's it.

My god this thread exploded. My apologize I really didn't expect this.