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Posted October 26, 2012
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mobutu: I have absolutely no problem, so you are wrong.
In playing a game now or over 5 years from now i loose absolutely nothing. On the contrary, i gain a better overall experience, the reasons are in the pevious post.
If you feel that you loose by doing that ... well, thats just you. Technically you dont loose anything, you get to play it anyway.
So, how do you like that 8 year old game HL 2?
Posted October 26, 2012
what games i like or dont like it's a matter of personal taste and i really dont think it'll help anything regarding this topic.

Besides, this site has a lot of old games and I see many people really enjoying them despite of their old age.
Post edited October 26, 2012 by mobutu
Posted October 26, 2012
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mobutu: what games i like or dont like it's a matter of personal taste and i really dont think it'll help anything regarding this topic.

Besides, this site has a lot of old games and I see many people really enjoying them despite of their old age.
Actually, you have no opinion on that game, because you never played it. And because of those arbitrary rules you made yourself, you will never play it.

You will never know if that game was the game of your life, because you never played it. And this is just one example of many.

I don't have the problem, because I don't care about DRM (for the most part).
Posted October 26, 2012
It's funny how it seems that you know better than me what i play, enjoy etc.
big lol @ "the game of my life"
Post edited October 26, 2012 by mobutu
Posted October 26, 2012
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iainmet: Next up is what would everyone that is being a bit on the extreme side of things be doing now if GOG never happened in the first place. Do you think they would have the same attitude towards DRM or would quite a few of them just bite the bullet and use whatever digital platform is available for their games?
I had a bit similar question before: if (at least the most important) games appeared only on streaming services like OnLive, would you just bite the bullet and play them there, as if nothing had changed? Or would you be at least reluctant to do so? For argument's sake, assuming that there aren't any severe lag issues etc., ie. the OnLive servers are close enough to you, and so on.

I personally feel that only the people who are completely indifferent about the platform they play their games on (PC, any console, streaming services etc.) have any business on criticizing others for "missing out great games" as they have some principles on where and how they want to play their games.
Post edited October 26, 2012 by timppu
Posted October 26, 2012
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mobutu: It's funny how it seems that you know better than me what i play, enjoy etc.
big lol @ "the game of my life"
I know that you will lose out on games. IF you liked them or not I can not say, but I can say that you don't have the option to find out.
Posted October 26, 2012
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timppu: I personally feel that only the people who are completely indifferent about the platform they play their games on (PC, any console, streaming services etc.) have any business on criticizing others for "missing out great games" as they have some principles on where and how they want to play their games.
Anybody can copy and paste principles. It takes balls of steel to be indifferent about DRM in this forum.
Posted October 26, 2012
You're missing the big picture here (like you obviously do with DRM):
I cannot have a "game of my life" or I cannot "miss-out" because games are just games and I don't have an unhealthy addiction towards games.
That's all.
Posted October 26, 2012
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iainmet: Next up is what would everyone that is being a bit on the extreme side of things be doing now if GOG never happened in the first place. Do you think they would have the same attitude towards DRM or would quite a few of them just bite the bullet and use whatever digital platform is available for their games?
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timppu: I had a bit similar question before: if (at least the most important) games appeared only on streaming services like OnLive, would you just bite the bullet and play them there, as if nothing had changed? Or would you be at least reluctant to do so? For argument's sake, assuming that there aren't any severe lag issues etc., ie. the OnLive servers are close enough to you, and so on.

I personally feel that only the people who are completely indifferent about the platform they play their games on (PC, any console, streaming services etc.) have any business on criticizing others for "missing out great games" as they have some principles on where and how they want to play their games.
Yes, thats exactly it. GOG provide a great service to us gamers as do Steam and the many other services available. Only downside is that at times the DRM free revolution GOG are pushing can be taken as a bit of a monster!

The only thing that really bugs and upsets me in discussions like this is that in the past some users that say they refuse a game due to DRM, Steam or whichever service. Then go and pirate the game and justify it due to DRM.

It kind of makes me feel that those particular users are worse than the pirates.

I can understand the publishers and developers wanting to protect their work, they are wanting to try and stop mass piracy of a new title and not be losing money. Thing is though as we all well know at times it can harm a legitimate user. Then theres the whole less users buying a new I.P due to piracy, DRM etc means not as many funds to go towards the next project they are wanting to line up that could be a new I.P so in the end we just get the usual yearly churn of existing titles like COD & FIFA for example.

Its literally a Catch 22 situation unfortunately.
Posted October 26, 2012
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mobutu: It's funny how it seems that you know better than me what i play, enjoy etc.
big lol @ "the game of my life"
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SimonG: I know that you will lose out on games. IF you liked them or not I can not say, but I can say that you don't have the option to find out.
Wrong, because mobutu has the option to change his or her mind, if he or she ever feels a strong urge to play a certain game. Just as you have the option to buy a TV and console or start playing all the great freeware titles that you miss out on, or dump video gaming and see what it's like to leave in the woods without electricity or whatever else experience you're currently "missing out" on. If you don't do it right now, then my guess is you don't feel it's that important to you. I doubt anyone here is really making themselves miserable due to their principles. They can afford to live by these principles because they don't care all that much. You are missing out on a lot! I am, too. And so is every human being. But we simply don't care enough to change that.
Post edited October 26, 2012 by Leroux
Posted October 26, 2012
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Leroux: Wrong, because mobutu has the option to change his or her mind.
Of course he has. But then he will have my opinion. Judging games purely on on the quality of the game. Not external factors.
Posted October 26, 2012
After gaming I'm always missing my time. I never find it. :)
Post edited October 26, 2012 by Trilarion
Posted October 26, 2012
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SimonG: So you judge the quality of games based on personal availability....
There's only so much resources I can spend toward adjudicating the quality of games and choosing the "best" one. Which game is better, Deponia or Satinavs Ketten? How should I know? Well, I have Deponia on a download service I (arbitrarily) like more, so it makes sense to play that.

Why not both? I can't play two games at the same time. And once I'm done with a game, it's again "hundreds of appealing games that I have on the arbitrarily attractive service" vs "Satinavs Ketten, Emerald City Confidential, and thousands of potentially good games that I know nothing about up to and including their titles". A game is not objectively better because it's on a more likeable service - it's just, for me, playing GOG games is more efficient. If something actually top-priority gets a Steam-only release, of course I will buy it there.

But if you made an effort to appreciate competing services, maybe you'd have even more fun! Maybe. However, optimizing fun at the cost of fun, forcing yourself to like something, is generally a loser's gambit. I tried Steam. I didn't like Steam (before I was aware of DRM politics, I didn't like the mandatory client and hated achievements). I won't pass up a must-play, there's just no must-plays.
Posted October 26, 2012
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timppu: I personally feel that only the people who are completely indifferent about the platform they play their games on (PC, any console, streaming services etc.) have any business on criticizing others for "missing out great games" as they have some principles on where and how they want to play their games.
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Egotomb: Anybody can copy and paste principles. It takes balls of steel to be indifferent about DRM in this forum.
My point mainly is, even of those who claim to be indifferent about DRM or where and how they play their games (only "choosing games based on how good the game is, not external factors"), most are not. They are just wannabes. They have no high horse to sit on, even if they dream so.
Post edited October 26, 2012 by timppu
Posted October 26, 2012
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Leroux: Wrong, because mobutu has the option to change his or her mind.
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SimonG: Of course he has. But then he will have my opinion. Judging games purely on on the quality of the game. Not external factors.
And what good will that do him, unless he's a game critic? I judge games by how much I enjoy playing them, and external factors can hamper my enjoyment. Imagine going to the movies to see the film of your life, but it's only shown open-air and it's freezing cold and occasionally raining. In the row before you there's someone huge blocking part of your view. A person next to you is laughing out loud at the most inappropriate situations, eating very noisily, burping and farting. Another person nearby has put on some nauseating perfume that makes you gag. Every 10 minutes there's some technical issue in the cinema and the screening has to be interrupted. This might be the best film of your life, but do you actually enjoy the experience? (Well, maybe, because it's so absurd it will give you a nice story to tell or something to complain about ... ;) )

I'm exaggerating, of course, but external factors can influence the fun you have with a product, so it's valid to take them into the equation. And fun is something immensely subjective, so it's not up to you to decide who is missing out on what.

(Also, what Starmaker said.)
Post edited October 26, 2012 by Leroux
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