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Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: How do you know if a game is indexed or banned on that website?
Unfortunately, it doesn't distinguish.

Here's one of just the indexed games: http://www.mobygames.com/game-group/bpjs-bpjm-indexed-games/offset,0/so,1d/

I haven't found as good a list for the banned games.
Posted July 20, 2011
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JudasIscariot: Let's hope they don't try to enforce that on other EU countries. German laws for German people only.
its not a law, extremists that try to propose stupid stuff live in every country
Posted July 20, 2011
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JudasIscariot: Let's hope they don't try to enforce that on other EU countries. German laws for German people only.
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macuahuitlgog: A German law that turns people who play violent games into criminals is a law nobody deserves...

Is it illegal to trade the beschlagnahmt games you own for other games if you are a German in Germany?
Good question. The law seems to prohibit all transactions in banned games, but a one-time transaction was allowed (when it came up before a court in Hamm; mentioned on the Wikipedia page).
Posted July 20, 2011
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JudasIscariot: Let's hope they don't try to enforce that on other EU countries. German laws for German people only.
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karacho: its not a law, extremists that try to propose stupid stuff live in every country
It's not a law but we shouldn't underestimate extremists. And most people in Germany, think people who play violent 3d shooters are sick people playing games that simulate murder.
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: Is it illegal to trade the beschlagnahmt games you own for other games if you are a German in Germany?
yes thats illegal, but as far as i know the state has no interest in hunting down people who traded games to their friends, i am not saying you should break the law, but what i say you should do is respect the intentions, which are that no little kid has to see virtual mutilations and murder or whatever
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: Is it illegal to trade the beschlagnahmt games you own for other games if you are a German in Germany?
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karacho: yes thats illegal, but as far as i know the state has no interest in hunting down people who traded games to their friends, i am not saying you should break the law, but what i say you should do is respect the intentions, which are that no little kid has to see virtual mutilations and murder or whatever
Is it illegal for me to give someone a banned game as a gift?
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: It's not a law but we shouldn't underestimate extremists. And most people in Germany, think people who play violent 3d shooters are sick people playing games that simulate murder.
ok not underestimate extremests is a good point, but that doesnt mean you have to live in the fear that they exist, because such extremists live in every country, also its not like those extreme anti gaming laws where just barely shut down, they pretty much always run into a brick wall and pretty much nobody who has something to say regarding such decisions aproves such a law
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macuahuitlgog: Is it illegal for me to give someone a banned game as a gift?
if its "beschlagnahmt" yes, there is no work around, you may not distribute a game that is "beschlagnahmt"
if you own it, and you do something that causes the owner to change to someone else (sellign, gifting, trading away) you broke the law
Post edited July 20, 2011 by karacho
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: It's not a law but we shouldn't underestimate extremists. And most people in Germany, think people who play violent 3d shooters are sick people playing games that simulate murder.
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karacho: ok not underestimate extremests is a good point, but that doesnt mean you have to live in the fear that they exist, because such extremists live in every country, also its not like those extreme anti gaming laws where just barely shut down, they pretty much always run into a brick wall and pretty much nobody who has something to say regarding such decisions aproves such a law
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macuahuitlgog: Is it illegal for me to give someone a banned game as a gift?
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karacho: if its "beschlagnahmt" yes, there is no work around, you may not distribute a game that is "beschlagnahmt"
if you own it, and you do something that causes the owner to change to someone else (sellign, gifting, trading away) you broke the law
Ok, and indizierte games are safe to trade?
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: Ok, and indizierte games are safe to trade?
yes, as long as you dont advertise them to the public (advertising in an environment that makes sure only people above 18 are affected is ok) and dont trade them to people under the age of 18 you are perfectly safe
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: Ok, and indizierte games are safe to trade?
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karacho: yes, as long as you dont advertise them to the public (advertising in an environment that makes sure only people above 18 are affected is ok) and dont trade them to people under the age of 18 you are perfectly safe
That sucks. How can you trade games without advertising them to the public?
Post edited July 20, 2011 by macuahuitlgog
Posted July 20, 2011
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macuahuitlgog: What I mean by banned is games like Dead Rising, Gears Of War etc that are not indexed but really banned.

So I can buy banned games from outside of Germany, have it delivered to my home, no problem with the law? And if the store is located in a different country, then nobody is breaking the law, right? And is there a website I can look at that tells me which games are indexed and which games are banned?
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cjrgreen: If it's a physical copy of the game, it would not clear customs if inspected.

If it's a download from a vendor who does not observe German restrictions, there is nothing to stop you.

There's a reasonably up-to-date list of the indizierte/beschlagnahmte games and films at this location (which may present you with an annoying captcha page)
Customs has the authority to seize your games even though buying them isn't illegal?
Posted July 20, 2011
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cjrgreen: If it's a physical copy of the game, it would not clear customs if inspected.

If it's a download from a vendor who does not observe German restrictions, there is nothing to stop you.

There's a reasonably up-to-date list of the indizierte/beschlagnahmte games and films at this location (which may present you with an annoying captcha page)
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macuahuitlgog: Customs has the authority to seize your games even though buying them isn't illegal?
Buying and importing have different rules. The intent of the rules for buying indizierte games is that you must buy them "under the table" from a domestic seller at his place of business; they cannot be imported.

Customs can seize any game that's indiziert or beschlagnahmt.

The way I read it, if it's indiziert, you may be required to prove you are of age; if it's beschlagnahmt, Customs will refer your case to the state's attorney.

http://www.zoll.de/b0_zoll_und_steuern/d0_verbote_und_beschraenkungen/a0_oeffentliche_ordnung/g0_jugendgefaehrdende_medien/index.html
Post edited July 20, 2011 by cjrgreen
Posted July 20, 2011
This is one of those few times where I say screw the law.
Posted July 20, 2011
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GameRager: This is one of those few times where I say screw the law.
Yeah, Germany is HELL for gamers...
Posted July 20, 2011
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GameRager: This is one of those few times where I say screw the law.
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macuahuitlgog: Yeah, Germany is HELL for gamers...
So they allow Doom 3 then? ;)
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