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Posted November 08, 2012
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Dzsono: You don't have to get an Xbox controller.

For much less you can get the Logitech F510. It is recognised by all games as being an Xbox controller right out of the box, with no configuration. Just plug and play.

P.S. Pro Evolution Soccer doesn't have any rumble feedback.
I'd still play more for the xbox pad myself, simply because I despise the playstation style analog placement, it all comes down to preference of course. That logitech pad looks like it might be good for retro gaming though... how is the quality of the D-pad? It looks awfully similar to the standard xbox sponge-pad from the images.

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te_lanus: I've bought a wireless xbox360 controller for windows combo (pad & usb receiver) 2 years ago and has yet to have any problem with it. And I use it regularly.
One of black combo packs in the links above? That's reassuring if so, the original recievers seem to have a pretty high failure rate from the reviews I could find.
Post edited November 08, 2012 by ReynardFox
Posted November 08, 2012
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te_lanus: I've bought a wireless xbox360 controller for windows combo (pad & usb receiver) 2 years ago and has yet to have any problem with it. And I use it regularly.
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ReynardFox: One of black combo packs in the links above? That's reassuring if so, the original recievers seem to have a pretty high failure rate from the reviews I could find.
Nope Mine is a white one like : this one
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: One of black combo packs in the links above? That's reassuring if so, the original recievers seem to have a pretty high failure rate from the reviews I could find.
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te_lanus: Nope Mine is a white one like : this one
Microsoft makes great gamepads. I have a wired (black) and a wireless. At first my wireless was my favorite controller, but I stared having problems with my controller losing it's signal. Now, my wireless controller is buried with all my pc parts, oddly enough inside my old iMac box hehe.
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: One of black combo packs in the links above? That's reassuring if so, the original recievers seem to have a pretty high failure rate from the reviews I could find.
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te_lanus: Nope Mine is a white one like : this one
Aah. I remember MS stopped selling those ones a while back, and I never knew why, but when researching (and trying in vain to find an official one) I found a lot of people reporting that theirs simply burned themselves out. Looks like you got a good one. I wish I knew if these black ones were the same or not. I'd say 'what the hell' and take a shot but it's hard when you need to shell out on another controller just to get one.

So annoying that MS went with a proprietary signal format instead of good ol' reliable bluetooth for these things.

Of course it would be even better if MS would just release a wired version of the special edition controller...
Post edited November 08, 2012 by ReynardFox
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: That logitech pad looks like it might be good for retro gaming though... how is the quality of the D-pad? It looks awfully similar to the standard xbox sponge-pad from the images.
Um, it is a floating d-pad, if that's what you mean. I'm not really a d-pad connoisseur, but I have managed to do quite a few more hadoukens before getting a blister than with other controllers...
Posted November 08, 2012
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Dzsono: Um, it is a floating d-pad, if that's what you mean. I'm not really a d-pad connoisseur, but I have managed to do quite a few more hadoukens before getting a blister than with other controllers...
I am simply curious as to how tight and responsive the d-pad is, especially when holding steady diagonals. I am a bit of a d-pad connoisseur, and as good as the standard x-box controller design is, it's d-pad made of mush, and in case I have trouble with the xbox wireless receiver for my special edition xb pad, an alternative with a high quality d-pad would be a nice option to have.
Posted November 08, 2012
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Dzsono: For much less you can get the Logitech F510. It is recognised by all games as being an Xbox controller right out of the box, with no configuration. Just plug and play.
I was just about to mention the same. I also noticed Win7 simply recognizes it as an XBox360 controller, when you switch the controller (with the knob) from the legacy DirectInput mode to XInput mode. And it seems to act as one too.

So I guess it comes to which design and other features you prefer. I prefer the controller having also the DirectInput legacy mode as optional for older Windows games, and also the symmetric design of the Logitech controller is more to my liking. But to each his own.

EDIT: Ack, ninjaed once again.
Post edited November 08, 2012 by timppu
Posted November 08, 2012
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Dzsono: Um, it is a floating d-pad, if that's what you mean. I'm not really a d-pad connoisseur, but I have managed to do quite a few more hadoukens before getting a blister than with other controllers...
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ReynardFox: I am simply curious as to how tight and responsive the d-pad is, especially when holding steady diagonals. I am a bit of a d-pad connoisseur, and as good as the standard x-box controller design is, it's d-pad made of mush, and in case I have trouble with the xbox wireless receiver for my special edition xb pad, an alternative with a high quality d-pad would be a nice option to have.
I wouldn't trust my advice any further than what I have given. In order of preference, I like KB + mouse, analogue sticks, joystick, d-pad. It's always the last resort for me. Perhaps it's a result of using inferior d-pads all this time? ;)
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: I am simply curious as to how tight and responsive the d-pad is, especially when holding steady diagonals. I am a bit of a d-pad connoisseur, and as good as the standard x-box controller design is, it's d-pad made of mush, and in case I have trouble with the xbox wireless receiver for my special edition xb pad, an alternative with a high quality d-pad would be a nice option to have.
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Dzsono: I wouldn't trust my advice any further than what I have given. In order of preference, I like KB + mouse, analogue sticks, joystick, d-pad. It's always the last resort for me. Perhaps it's a result of using inferior d-pads all this time? ;)
Heh, fair enough. It all depends on the game what control method i prefer, I wouldn't dream of playing an FPS without a Mouse & KB or a modern action game without an analog stick. I'm just a serious retro-head who loves, and always ends up falling back to playing SNES/Arcade era games of the d-pad and buttons variety. :)
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: Heh, fair enough. It all depends on the game what control method i prefer, I wouldn't dream of playing an FPS without a Mouse & KB or a modern action game without an analog stick. I'm just a serious retro-head who loves, and always ends up falling back to playing SNES/Arcade era games of the d-pad and buttons variety. :)
My favourite SNES game is Rock & Roll Racing (worst name, best game) and I played it first, of course, with d-pad. But since I tried it with an emulator and keyboard I haven't been able to go back. Again, maybe I've just never used a good d-pad :)
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timppu: I prefer the controller having also the DirectInput legacy mode as optional for older Windows games.
Ya, I think this is really important as well. It has saved my bacon on more than one occasion :)
Post edited November 08, 2012 by Dzsono
Posted November 08, 2012
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Dzsono: My favourite SNES game is Rock & Roll Racing (worst name, best game) and I played it first, of course, with d-pad. But since I tried it with an emulator and keyboard I haven't been able to go back. Again, maybe I've just never used a good d-pad :)
I loved Rock N Roll racing :D

A good d-pad is crucial to getting the most out of a retro game like that, analog stick range kills the precision and responsiveness in a game specifically designed for digital input. A keyboard works fine for something like RNRR, but nothing feels the same as a good digital pad, and nothing can put you off quite like a crappy one. ;)

The best pad out there IMHO is the WIi's Classic Controller Pro, but it can be a pain to get going in windows, and I don't think the excellent PC adapter is being sold anymore.
Post edited November 08, 2012 by ReynardFox
Posted November 08, 2012
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Tallima: Or use the wireless controller and receiver combo:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QRKWKQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B004QRKWKQ&linkCode=as2&tag=legeofleef-20

(note that this version of the wireless controller comes with the hub, so you do not have to buy it separately).
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ReynardFox: I never knew MS started offering wireless controllers with USB transceivers again, can you personally vouch for these? I've heard many complaints about the original receivers burning out even when powered correctly.

I really, really want a reliable receiver so I can use a special edition xbox controller and it's proper d-pad on my PC.
I personally use a wired XBOX controller for my PC. I hate buying batteries. I do use the wireless for my XBOX though. Of course, that doesn't have the PC's receiver.

Amazon reviews put it at 4 1/2 stars out of 120 reviews. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I tend to find Amazon reviews fairly reliable.
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: I never knew MS started offering wireless controllers with USB transceivers again, can you personally vouch for these? I've heard many complaints about the original receivers burning out even when powered correctly.

I really, really want a reliable receiver so I can use a special edition xbox controller and it's proper d-pad on my PC.
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Tallima: I personally use a wired XBOX controller for my PC. I hate buying batteries. I do use the wireless for my XBOX though. Of course, that doesn't have the PC's receiver.

Amazon reviews put it at 4 1/2 stars out of 120 reviews. That doesn't necessarily mean anything, but I tend to find Amazon reviews fairly reliable.
For any non-shooter PC game that requires analog controls, I am ALL about the wired Xbox controller, I've got two of them. :)
Post edited November 08, 2012 by ReynardFox
Posted November 08, 2012
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Dzsono: You don't have to get an Xbox controller.

For much less you can get the Logitech F510. It is recognised by all games as being an Xbox controller right out of the box, with no configuration. Just plug and play.

P.S. Pro Evolution Soccer doesn't have any rumble feedback.
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jamyskis: This.

I bought an F510 to replace my aging Saitek 360 controller and it was the best investment I ever made in a PC joypad. There's a toggle switch on the back that enables you to switch between XInput and DirectInput mode.

XInput is basically what recent Pro Evo games supports, the XBox 360 gamepad standard. It works fine as long as the game itself supports 360 gamepads.

DirectInput is the older standard and you will need it for older games and recent games that don't support XInput for whatever reason. It allows you to use the shoulder triggers as buttons instead of as a joystick axis (essential for some games like GTA 3/Vice City/San Andreas), provides force feedback in DirectInput games and allows you to use the mode button on the front to switch the D-pad and left stick around instead of having to go into the control panel each time.

The official Microsoft 360 gamepad has a great form factor in its own right, but it falls down badly with many older games.
Thanks for your post man, helpful.
Posted November 08, 2012
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ReynardFox: The best pad out there IMHO is the WIi's Classic Controller Pro, but it can be a pain to get going in windows, and I don't think the excellent PC adapter is being sold anymore.
You don't need a special adapter. Wii and PS3 controllers use Bluetooth so any Bluetooth receiver would work (whether built-in or an adapter).

In the case of the Wii accessories they still have to be tethered to a Wii Remote to provide the connectivity.
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