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But I know a few people who bought HoI 3 at release because they thought a WW2 wargame sounded fun, were annoyed (rightly) by the huge issues the game had back then and promptly vowed never to buy a Paradox game again.
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keeveek: That's strange. Because if that was their first contact with paradox games, they would have spent 2-3 weeks to LEARN the game to discover it's bugs...
Not really, they lack the patience to do that (so they probably wouldn't have liked the game anyway). Still they got a much worse impression than they would otherwise have had.

Also, HoI 3's bugs were VERY obvious at release (like memory leaks causing the game to be slow as hell even on the highest speed settings), because Paradox didn't hire professional QA, instead relying on fans to beta-test the game.
That didn't work out well for them unfortunately...
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cw8: Yeap, looking for shops, worse come to worse. Would very much get the retail version with the manual and not have the trouble of going around print shops.
Up until recent year(s)(?) I wouldn't have anything to do with "digital downloads" , I only wanted physical copies (boxed software).
By now I think that I am more or less broken, so it is almost like I prefer digital downloads by now. GOG.com has been a major "mover" for me because of their DRM free concept , but I must confess that also Gamer Gate have made their "imprint" on me and Steam (the latter I hated from the start because I had it "force fed" because a physical DVD game I bought would not run without Steam activation and client). But I even buy from Steam now (who can keep saying no with the great deals they offer you sometimes).
(The very great thing about digital downloads are that once installed you do not need the disc anymore - I have saved my GOG downloads to DVD as backup and for later installation plus it allows me to erase the downloaded installation files from my harddrive)

With respect to Paradox then they makes it even harder not going "digital download". I have twice gotten completely free digital download version of games just from subscribing to their "Paradox Forum Newsletter".....

With respect to digital version of manuals then yes I think that I prefer (and sometimes actually NEEDs) printed manuals, but I manage. With respect to readability then I sit at a really big screen + I have the option of using zoom in the PDF manuals, and with respect to needing printed manuals then "now and then" I make print outs of selected parts of digital manuals when I need it the most....
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keeveek: there's demo avaible on fileplanet. I've played it, nice and funny game :)
You can download the demo directly from Gamers Gate.
Use the link (above the screenshots) where it says "Demo" ;-)
http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-PBC/pirates-of-black-cove
Post edited July 08, 2011 by FiatLux
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Aningan: I would have gotten Magicka also cause it looks cool but everyone said that you need to play in multiplayer to enjoy the game, and don't enjoy multiplayer so much.
You can get a free a Magicka demo at Steam ( http://store.steampowered.com/app/42910/ ).
I kinda liked it - as single player , I did however have a starter problem getting out of the basement in the beginning of the demo game because the "tutorial" were not properly made.
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lukaszthegreat: so vicky 2 is worse?
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mystral: It still has more issues because it lacks the patches and expansion that the original got.
After it gets those Vicky 2 will probably be a better game than Vicky.
Vicky 2 is not HoI3 where the problems are fundamentally not in its design. It is really unpolished and the fact the developers bragged about not hiring an economist really shows in how bad the economy works.

I've haven't played vanilla Victoria 2 for months but last I remembered is that Britain would automatically win since they hold India. The thing that made Victoria R great, for me, was the fact there was an historical path being followed. Germany was going to form, Japan will modernized, and WW I will start but the way the game runs it feels much like EU3 where it is only historical in the first day. In Victoria Revolutions, the Spanish-American war would happen but as Spain you can attempt to change history by either allying with a power like Prussia or invading the United States east coast to force a victory. Also, the game feels too much automated since pops would automatically convert and everything you need except soldiers would be built by the capitalists.

But yeah, give it time and it'll be a good game.
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mystral: It still has more issues because it lacks the patches and expansion that the original got.
After it gets those Vicky 2 will probably be a better game than Vicky.
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Ramba_Ral: Vicky 2 is not HoI3 where the problems are fundamentally not in its design. It is really unpolished and the fact the developers bragged about not hiring an economist really shows in how bad the economy works.

I've haven't played vanilla Victoria 2 for months but last I remembered is that Britain would automatically win since they hold India. The thing that made Victoria R great, for me, was the fact there was an historical path being followed. Germany was going to form, Japan will modernized, and WW I will start but the way the game runs it feels much like EU3 where it is only historical in the first day. In Victoria Revolutions, the Spanish-American war would happen but as Spain you can attempt to change history by either allying with a power like Prussia or invading the United States east coast to force a victory. Also, the game feels too much automated since pops would automatically convert and everything you need except soldiers would be built by the capitalists.

But yeah, give it time and it'll be a good game.
Well the "Britain automatically wins" thing is kind of historical too. :)
They did own a large part of the world during most of the time period covered by Vicky. There is a reason it's called Victoria, and not Bismarck (for instance), after all.

Of course giving the UK a huge advantage is bad for the game overall, and economically at least Britain was starting to lose out to the US and Germany by the start of the 20th century.
Paradox should probably include a mechanism to make the British economy slow down toward the end of the period, maybe a malus for huge empires.

Also there are plenty of people who enjoy the more sandbox feel of EU 3 compared to the event-driven games like Ricky and HoI 2. Personally I like both, which I prefer depends on my mood, so I'm happy either way.

Besides no Paradox was really great before they did a good bit of polishing via patch and expansions, the only possible exception being Crusader Kings. All we can hope for is that the upcoming Vicky 2 expansion is as good as Revolution was.
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Ramba_Ral: Vicky 2 is not HoI3 where the problems are fundamentally not in its design. It is really unpolished and the fact the developers bragged about not hiring an economist really shows in how bad the economy works.

I've haven't played vanilla Victoria 2 for months but last I remembered is that Britain would automatically win since they hold India. The thing that made Victoria R great, for me, was the fact there was an historical path being followed. Germany was going to form, Japan will modernized, and WW I will start but the way the game runs it feels much like EU3 where it is only historical in the first day. In Victoria Revolutions, the Spanish-American war would happen but as Spain you can attempt to change history by either allying with a power like Prussia or invading the United States east coast to force a victory. Also, the game feels too much automated since pops would automatically convert and everything you need except soldiers would be built by the capitalists.

But yeah, give it time and it'll be a good game.
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mystral: Well the "Britain automatically wins" thing is kind of historical too. :)
They did own a large part of the world during most of the time period covered by Vicky. There is a reason it's called Victoria, and not Bismarck (for instance), after all.

Of course giving the UK a huge advantage is bad for the game overall, and economically at least Britain was starting to lose out to the US and Germany by the start of the 20th century.
Paradox should probably include a mechanism to make the British economy slow down toward the end of the period, maybe a malus for huge empires.

Also there are plenty of people who enjoy the more sandbox feel of EU 3 compared to the event-driven games like Ricky and HoI 2. Personally I like both, which I prefer depends on my mood, so I'm happy either way.

Besides no Paradox was really great before they did a good bit of polishing via patch and expansions, the only possible exception being Crusader Kings. All we can hope for is that the upcoming Vicky 2 expansion is as good as Revolution was.
The thing though is that with the Indian provinces and the way the pop culture conversion went. You would have a lot of British soldier pops and such which really swayed game balance and the only way to defeat them was to civilize as China and use your armies against theirs. The thing is that by the time Germany unified. It would have an industry that would be comparable to Britain with a military to boot.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Eu3 and having fun with a miscmod campaign where I am Prussia and became the HRE Emperor.